With Essex class carriers of course. Youll soon see thousands of b-17 over Brussels. And good luck with florida. We wond even need to send an army. The rednecks with guns will take care of your army.
A call to all axis generals. Preparations for the upcoming release and war
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I'll bring our secret weapon!!
.... the zeppelin. ..woops did I just say that out lou- uhh I mean Led zeppelin
that was close .
.... the zeppelin. ..woops did I just say that out lou- uhh I mean Led zeppelin
that was close .- 2
I object. We allies should not resort to bombing civilian centres, especially since Brussels will eventually be... Acquired.
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No you misunderatood. The b-17 wont bomb they will just fly there to show supiriority over the Axis. I mean we have the oil for that where as they dont.
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If Japan's Destiny is to loose we shall loose with hounor and take allied lives with us
Have fun brining a million body bags during operation downfall
Banzi! Banzi! Banzi!
No but seriously even loosing will be fun because even if the axis surrender
Who's to say during reformation that the axis don't join communists Russia for ww3
The second game will be a ww3/cold war scenario I have in mind
That assuming the axis loose we all join either
NATO or Soviet Russia and regear for ww3
(That either takes place in the same game with a set number of years to re arm )
Or we go directly to a new game rping so we set up directly after the aftermath of ww2
Thoughts?
Have fun brining a million body bags during operation downfall
Banzi! Banzi! Banzi!
No but seriously even loosing will be fun because even if the axis surrender
Who's to say during reformation that the axis don't join communists Russia for ww3
The second game will be a ww3/cold war scenario I have in mind
That assuming the axis loose we all join either
NATO or Soviet Russia and regear for ww3
(That either takes place in the same game with a set number of years to re arm )
Or we go directly to a new game rping so we set up directly after the aftermath of ww2
Thoughts?
The main problem with this is that when the two factions start tovfigt most countries will have perfect tech.
sounds fun, but we should see at the end of ww2 perhaps.
@Gerhard Lindt Don't underestimate us... you know what underestimate us as much as you want since when we do beat you you will realize your crucial mistake! Like someone once said: It's always better to overestimate your enemy, so you never get surprised by them!
@Gerhard Lindt Don't underestimate us... you know what underestimate us as much as you want since when we do beat you you will realize your crucial mistake! Like someone once said: It's always better to overestimate your enemy, so you never get surprised by them!
Ww3/ cold war scenario.
Second game
The idea for the second game takes place 10 years after the conclusion of the first
1 axis looses ww2. With the surrender of the axis high command after the bloody campaign's of Europe and Asia ending on July 18 1963 over 3 million allied lives where lost though no final numbers are known. Allies lost over 500,000 in the capture of Rome and Berlin and 1 million in the occupation of Japan itself
With the Hitler, Mussolini captured and tojo dead the allies and communist are ready to draw the occupation lines in a new war that is brewing the defeated axis nations now must choose sides with new governments in place in an even deadlier war
2??? Axis victory America stands axis pushed out of America communist lost half their nations Russia locked in stale mate with Europe and Asia. Idk this scenario I don't know how we would do a ww3 if axis wins. Any thoughts?
Second game
The idea for the second game takes place 10 years after the conclusion of the first
1 axis looses ww2. With the surrender of the axis high command after the bloody campaign's of Europe and Asia ending on July 18 1963 over 3 million allied lives where lost though no final numbers are known. Allies lost over 500,000 in the capture of Rome and Berlin and 1 million in the occupation of Japan itself
With the Hitler, Mussolini captured and tojo dead the allies and communist are ready to draw the occupation lines in a new war that is brewing the defeated axis nations now must choose sides with new governments in place in an even deadlier war
2??? Axis victory America stands axis pushed out of America communist lost half their nations Russia locked in stale mate with Europe and Asia. Idk this scenario I don't know how we would do a ww3 if axis wins. Any thoughts?
No no America and NATO would set up cold war borders. Same with Soviet union /communist. And it would be 1936 in game but in our au world it would be 5 years post whatever date the last war ended
Ok work with me here ppl I'm trying to create a alternate universe here but keep with major wars
Ww2. Then cold war. However we figure out the history to do that and I have more time to work on rules for that
War of the new millennium that history is what ever we all decide
Of course the axis will fight to win against the allies and communist and when we win well. The axis we'll probably find some reason weather real (or just for game purposes) to split down the middle
So the axis we'll win you allies will loose and then we shall perform Nelsons catch phrase from the Simpson's
"Points finger at losers" HA HA !
So
the axis we'll win you allies will loose and then we shall perform Nelsons catch phrase from the Simpson's"Points finger at losers" HA HA !
to justify a new world war if the axis win is that some axis nations (they choose whether they want to join the allies or the bolsheviks) get couped and switch sides after the victory and then tensions rise up once more and war is inevitable...
Then it will be an Sino-German War.Unlikely so long as I'm in charge of Germany
I find a conflict between Germany and Japan after victory in WW2 to be a most fun exercise.
I always mod the map, Alliances and military to make Japan as powerful as possible. You really have to if you want Japan to resemble a competent opponent. I often end up with a 3 or 4-1 advantage in industry and my army is usually 3 to 4 times larger. A Luftwaffe twice the size of the Japanese air-arm and a Kriegsmarine with 2-1 ratio on all major surface-vessels and 4 to 10-1 ratio in smaller ships.
Manipulating the Japanese to resist aggression across a vast empire that stretches from the Maldives and Persian border, across the depths of Siberia, the tips of Tasmania and New Zealand and Tahiti to Alaska is quite a challenge. But delivering a 19-army, 4.75 million-strong Wehrmacht attack across said 10,000 mile front is...quite satisfying.
And, if you feel like some role-playing, you can have 60-100 nukes by then ('52-'56-ish) and turn the Home Islands into a chunk of black-glass.
But invasion is also fun if you tag-over to Japan and manually build defenses and garrisons to make it more of a challenge.
I hope you will be able to tag in HoI4. It's the only way to assure practical and challenging AI actions without just hulking them out with resources and industry and hope the AI can do it.
I always mod the map, Alliances and military to make Japan as powerful as possible. You really have to if you want Japan to resemble a competent opponent. I often end up with a 3 or 4-1 advantage in industry and my army is usually 3 to 4 times larger. A Luftwaffe twice the size of the Japanese air-arm and a Kriegsmarine with 2-1 ratio on all major surface-vessels and 4 to 10-1 ratio in smaller ships.
Manipulating the Japanese to resist aggression across a vast empire that stretches from the Maldives and Persian border, across the depths of Siberia, the tips of Tasmania and New Zealand and Tahiti to Alaska is quite a challenge. But delivering a 19-army, 4.75 million-strong Wehrmacht attack across said 10,000 mile front is...quite satisfying.
And, if you feel like some role-playing, you can have 60-100 nukes by then ('52-'56-ish) and turn the Home Islands into a chunk of black-glass.
But invasion is also fun if you tag-over to Japan and manually build defenses and garrisons to make it more of a challenge.
I hope you will be able to tag in HoI4. It's the only way to assure practical and challenging AI actions without just hulking them out with resources and industry and hope the AI can do it.
Perhaps by the time we get this far, there will be mods that extend the research timeline. Second, for me, it seems that perfect research will require more strategic thinking in division creation, variation creation and strategy.
I like the idea of asia vs. europe, but to throw another idea out: Italy vs. Germany. Axis fracture shortly after the war, Japan continues agression agains America and Germany fights Italy for Hegemony in Europe and control of Africa
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Top secret message to all Axis leaders!
Gentlemen and Ladies, if present,
In this document I will present my thoughts on how to achieve our goals for a new world order.
But first I would like to put out a disclaimer: The plans and thoughts here are based on un-
tested theories and the little available intel there was. Therefor I am unable to give a
timetable or odds for the succes of these plans.
Second these plans may require some of us to do nothing but build up their economy for a long
time. This might not be the most fun of things, but it might be neccesary so we can avoid
doom scenario's.
In the past few days, Italian intelligence has recieved and intercepted a great many messages
regarding declerations of loyaty. Some were worthy of celebration with nations declaring
support to our cause. Others... others were less so. These were declerations of enmity
to us, fools thinking us evil for our vision of a better world. In all honesty,
the great flood of them has me terrified.
Within this document I present my vision of the road to victory. This path would take us
down a road of quick early offensives in Europe, when the alliances have not been made
definite yet and when the soviets are too weak to interfere. However If we could manage to
convince the soviets to help us in defeating the Allies then our goals may be achieved with
their help. I do believe it to be in our best interest to avoid a 2 front war. Our ultimate goal is
to break French and British Hegemony and to bring enlightened rule to the world!
Next is the consideration of neutrality: ALL Axis members are to RESPECT and MAINTAIN
the neutrality of those who have proclaimed themselves to be neutral.
However diplomatic appeals asking the neutrals to join us are free to be done at your own discretion.
These plans took a while to write down, and therfore might not give due attention to each and
every member of the Axis. I do believe however that these guidlines are good enough to be applied
even if they don't mention every specific nation.
Without further ado, behold the New Empire Project:
------------------------------------------------Start of Plans---------------------------------------------
Chapter 1: European expansion and Japanese patience
1a: Operation Baguette
Belgium, Italy and especially Germany have a lot of scores to settle with France. It is therefor the first
target of war. We should attack the French as soon as these three nations can be allied. Hopefully this will
allow us to catch the French of guard and isolated. The germans should also reintegrate Austria and
CzechoSlovakia into their nation. Perhaps a denial of of this reintegration by the Czechs and a French guarantee
can give is the casus belli we need.
1b: Build up
Japan mean while will have to build up for an invasion of the British dominions in the Pacific and India.
The Axis powers of the Middle East and South America are also to build up while the war with the French is on Going.
1c: No-one expects...
Lastly: Portugal
This nation would be a prime location for german submarines to make port and refuel.
Therefor it will have to be taken for us, since they have declared themselves for the Allies there should be little
backlash for this or it might even happen while the French war is ongoing. Or it might be the first step of the
next phase.
Chapter 2: The great Dominion
2a: Europe
We enter this phase either by declaring war on portugal which is by then allied/ guaranteed by the UK
or by declaring war on the UK itself. The plans are as follows: Belgium, Italy, Finland, Poland and the South American
nations build up their fleet in order to create seasuperiority in the English Chanel. The Heer will then
cross the Chanel by plane and ship to the british Isles. Conquest should be swift and decicive. After this
our South American brothers are to prepare for a possible american entry to the war. Belgium and Itali
are to turn their attention South, to africa. The Germans and Poland will conquer the Czechs and then build an Iron
Curtain on the Eastern side of their lands and Garisson it to encourage Soviet policies of non interference.
If Germany has spare divisions, these are to be deployed on a highest need basis.
2b: Asia and Oceania
In the mean time Japan is to invade the dominions that remain loyal to Brittain in Oceania. By doing this
she will delay the pacific fleets in traveling to England so they could protect their homeland.
Persia will have to put up a stiff defence while Japan does this, and all Axis should send whatever equipment
they can spare to persia, so it can fight off the British in the Middle East and other locations. Once Japan is done in Australia and New Zealand, it
is to prepare for a US entry and/or help in Africa.
2c: Africa
After Britain has been dealt with Italy and Belgium will focus on Africa. They will probaly have to reconquer their
old possesions but without the UK to lead them, supply them and protect them the lands in Africa will fall soon
enough. Should there be extensive resistance however, Japan and Persia are to join in after they are finished in
The Middle East and Asia.
Once these two phases are complete we will have Victory. British hegemony has been broken. The grievances with the French
have been settled and Colonial empires established. It is not in our interest to now start a fight with the Soviets.
We should simply wait until their economies collapse and then we will peacefully teach the right ways to rule to their
people. I also hope that at this time most neutrals will have seen the light that is Fascism.
Sadly for the sake of being prepared I will now Propose 2 warplans that should be unnecesary.
Chapter 3: Warplan Red
3a Europe
In the event of a Communist attack run towards the nearest German army commander and tell him: Code Red
The German commander should then inform his colleagues on the Iron Curtain to prepare for incursions.
Germany and Poland should make sure that they have an adaptable defence plan ready for this ocation.
The Other nations in Europe should prepare for a counter attack on Comitern alligned nations
in the Balkan. Then a Naval incursion into the Caucasus wil Open up a southern flank Hopefully creating a pocket there
which will then be cleared up by the persians and the Axis Expeditionary forces there. After the clearing of the pocket
and securing the Oilfields the Expeditionary forces are to strike for Moscow.
3b Asia
Japan is to cut of the Soviet East coast, move 3 or 4 provinces Inland and dig in, awaiting Soviet surrender after the
Moscow is Captured.
3c America
Should nations in South America have decided to join this war, they will have to be occupied to prevent further spread
their ideas and so Japan is safe to look to the soviets.
Chapter 4: Make America great again.
Should America decide rouse from its isolation like they did in the previous war all Axis Nations are to plan for naval
incursions on every coast, however I think America is to Proud to help their former overlords a second time, and their
people feel safe and secure in their isolation, so no further planning will be required.
-----------------------------------------------end of plans----------------------------------------------------------------
As a summary these plans are about avoiding causing too much tension in the world, which would
allow the Allies to join in at an inoppertune moment. As too the actual invasion plans for each
specific nation I would suggest the participating countries to convene on this and submit their
plans to Axis HQ which at the time of writing are the Honourable Tojo and myself. For any questions regarding
diplomatic duties please report to Herr Rommel.
For the New Empire!
Admiral Arturo Riccardi
Axis Minister of War
In this document I will present my thoughts on how to achieve our goals for a new world order.
But first I would like to put out a disclaimer: The plans and thoughts here are based on un-
tested theories and the little available intel there was. Therefor I am unable to give a
timetable or odds for the succes of these plans.
Second these plans may require some of us to do nothing but build up their economy for a long
time. This might not be the most fun of things, but it might be neccesary so we can avoid
doom scenario's.
In the past few days, Italian intelligence has recieved and intercepted a great many messages
regarding declerations of loyaty. Some were worthy of celebration with nations declaring
support to our cause. Others... others were less so. These were declerations of enmity
to us, fools thinking us evil for our vision of a better world. In all honesty,
the great flood of them has me terrified.
Within this document I present my vision of the road to victory. This path would take us
down a road of quick early offensives in Europe, when the alliances have not been made
definite yet and when the soviets are too weak to interfere. However If we could manage to
convince the soviets to help us in defeating the Allies then our goals may be achieved with
their help. I do believe it to be in our best interest to avoid a 2 front war. Our ultimate goal is
to break French and British Hegemony and to bring enlightened rule to the world!
Next is the consideration of neutrality: ALL Axis members are to RESPECT and MAINTAIN
the neutrality of those who have proclaimed themselves to be neutral.
However diplomatic appeals asking the neutrals to join us are free to be done at your own discretion.
These plans took a while to write down, and therfore might not give due attention to each and
every member of the Axis. I do believe however that these guidlines are good enough to be applied
even if they don't mention every specific nation.
Without further ado, behold the New Empire Project:
------------------------------------------------Start of Plans---------------------------------------------
Chapter 1: European expansion and Japanese patience
1a: Operation Baguette
Belgium, Italy and especially Germany have a lot of scores to settle with France. It is therefor the first
target of war. We should attack the French as soon as these three nations can be allied. Hopefully this will
allow us to catch the French of guard and isolated. The germans should also reintegrate Austria and
CzechoSlovakia into their nation. Perhaps a denial of of this reintegration by the Czechs and a French guarantee
can give is the casus belli we need.
1b: Build up
Japan mean while will have to build up for an invasion of the British dominions in the Pacific and India.
The Axis powers of the Middle East and South America are also to build up while the war with the French is on Going.
1c: No-one expects...
Lastly: Portugal
This nation would be a prime location for german submarines to make port and refuel.
Therefor it will have to be taken for us, since they have declared themselves for the Allies there should be little
backlash for this or it might even happen while the French war is ongoing. Or it might be the first step of the
next phase.
Chapter 2: The great Dominion
2a: Europe
We enter this phase either by declaring war on portugal which is by then allied/ guaranteed by the UK
or by declaring war on the UK itself. The plans are as follows: Belgium, Italy, Finland, Poland and the South American
nations build up their fleet in order to create seasuperiority in the English Chanel. The Heer will then
cross the Chanel by plane and ship to the british Isles. Conquest should be swift and decicive. After this
our South American brothers are to prepare for a possible american entry to the war. Belgium and Itali
are to turn their attention South, to africa. The Germans and Poland will conquer the Czechs and then build an Iron
Curtain on the Eastern side of their lands and Garisson it to encourage Soviet policies of non interference.
If Germany has spare divisions, these are to be deployed on a highest need basis.
2b: Asia and Oceania
In the mean time Japan is to invade the dominions that remain loyal to Brittain in Oceania. By doing this
she will delay the pacific fleets in traveling to England so they could protect their homeland.
Persia will have to put up a stiff defence while Japan does this, and all Axis should send whatever equipment
they can spare to persia, so it can fight off the British in the Middle East and other locations. Once Japan is done in Australia and New Zealand, it
is to prepare for a US entry and/or help in Africa.
2c: Africa
After Britain has been dealt with Italy and Belgium will focus on Africa. They will probaly have to reconquer their
old possesions but without the UK to lead them, supply them and protect them the lands in Africa will fall soon
enough. Should there be extensive resistance however, Japan and Persia are to join in after they are finished in
The Middle East and Asia.
Once these two phases are complete we will have Victory. British hegemony has been broken. The grievances with the French
have been settled and Colonial empires established. It is not in our interest to now start a fight with the Soviets.
We should simply wait until their economies collapse and then we will peacefully teach the right ways to rule to their
people. I also hope that at this time most neutrals will have seen the light that is Fascism.
Sadly for the sake of being prepared I will now Propose 2 warplans that should be unnecesary.
Chapter 3: Warplan Red
3a Europe
In the event of a Communist attack run towards the nearest German army commander and tell him: Code Red
The German commander should then inform his colleagues on the Iron Curtain to prepare for incursions.
Germany and Poland should make sure that they have an adaptable defence plan ready for this ocation.
The Other nations in Europe should prepare for a counter attack on Comitern alligned nations
in the Balkan. Then a Naval incursion into the Caucasus wil Open up a southern flank Hopefully creating a pocket there
which will then be cleared up by the persians and the Axis Expeditionary forces there. After the clearing of the pocket
and securing the Oilfields the Expeditionary forces are to strike for Moscow.
3b Asia
Japan is to cut of the Soviet East coast, move 3 or 4 provinces Inland and dig in, awaiting Soviet surrender after the
Moscow is Captured.
3c America
Should nations in South America have decided to join this war, they will have to be occupied to prevent further spread
their ideas and so Japan is safe to look to the soviets.
Chapter 4: Make America great again.
Should America decide rouse from its isolation like they did in the previous war all Axis Nations are to plan for naval
incursions on every coast, however I think America is to Proud to help their former overlords a second time, and their
people feel safe and secure in their isolation, so no further planning will be required.
-----------------------------------------------end of plans----------------------------------------------------------------
As a summary these plans are about avoiding causing too much tension in the world, which would
allow the Allies to join in at an inoppertune moment. As too the actual invasion plans for each
specific nation I would suggest the participating countries to convene on this and submit their
plans to Axis HQ which at the time of writing are the Honourable Tojo and myself. For any questions regarding
diplomatic duties please report to Herr Rommel.
For the New Empire!
Admiral Arturo Riccardi
Axis Minister of War
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