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Originally posted by pjcrowe
Actually, Vassili's values are so low to begin with, it really didn't make much difference:cool:

-Pat
Thats nice, but remember Pat is isen't the worst event any way. the insane event are actually pretty funny:D

great work so far by the way;)
 

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Continuing the Vassili Saga, in 1514 we lay down fortifications at Far Karelia, start building up Kola into a city, and raise some inf and cav at Uralsk. In Mar the Germanic heretics decided to split off from the Romance heretics, as the Reformation swept across northern Europe. But here in the Kremlin we treat all unorthodox equally. When Nov came around our Land Tech advanced (5) and Igor argued that we should immediately take advantage our our edge and complete the job against Astrakhan, but I convinced Vassili that this was an unusually harsh winter along the Caspian and we could easily wait for spring.

War was declared on 1 Apr 1515 and Glinski immediately began moving against the capital from Volgograd; we gave their army in Orenburg a head start and then moved ours from Uralsk there, although later we brought them against the capital as well. With the defences failing (+2 > -1) we launch an assault on 1 Jul, again on 1 Sep, and with a warmer winter this year, yet again on 1 Nov. The city finally fell on 14 Nov, and TND they insulted us with an offer of a truce. Glinski marched on to Orenburg, which fell on 18 Dec and one more Tartar state ceased to exist.

What with religious intollerance, the province of Astrakhan is likely to revolt at least once a year (9%), but we'll just wait for it to rebel enough to depopulate the land, opening up space for settlements on the East Bank (of the Volga).

In Mar '16 Kola became a city. Tula revolted in May, and the rabble was much larger than our neighboring army so we took a loan to raise troops. It would be late Oct before we subdued the revolt. In mid Jun England declared against Scotland, gaining cash seven months later. The expected Religious Turmoil came in Jul, and Astrakhan rebelled but was quickly subdued. Sep the following year saw its province and city both revolt, and that too was supressed.

England declared war on France in late Oct, Austria joining the fun in early Dec. The English war would have an interesting result, but I'll describe that next time. Tula revolted again, in Feb and Dec '18. On 22 Feb we renewed our royal marriage with Bohemia. For some reason, when we vassalized Pskov they didn't break their dynastic tie with Denmark, and so we have waited many extra years to offer annexation [I noticed that may have caused the target to break the vassalization in my English GC:mad: ]. It finally expired in Sep '18, but our relations were only extremely good (+179).

Jan 1519 saw our annual tax base cross the 200 mark:D , so now we don't have to hope for high indemnities to pay off loans. Our first action of the year was to send a Personal Gift to Pskov, raising our relations to perfection (+200). I'm not sure where they got the money for it (although we'll be the ones to benefit from it:cool: ), but they started building a vodka factory. On 4 Feb we donated an atlas (0/3) and then annexed them. Their army consisted of 8k inf and 15 cannon.:D :D

I though I was supposed to get a research bonus for the target country having a higher Tech level than I did, but if I got it it wasn't noticible.:mad: They had outclassed Russia in Naval, Trade, and Infrastructure. And that's where I'll leave off for now, as I really want to get back to playing it.;)

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On 4 Feb we donated an atlas (0/3)

hi Pat,

I noticed that you seem to make a habit of swapping maps before vassalising / annexing countries. Yet I have never seen a raise in the relation between countries. Why do you trade maps?
 

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Duh! to get more maps!:p
 

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Originally posted by Morpheus506
Duh! to get more maps!:p

Duh! Obviously not (sorry:eek: ) if they're learning of 3 new provinces/sea zones and I'm learning of none. I do it right before offering vassalization/annexation because I've seen someone state on this forum that it improves the chances that they'll say yes. The EU-zen of it being that they learn how great and powerful you are, since you knew more than they did. Like I've discovered that offering annexation to a vassal not in the alliance might well improve the odds, since it's more secure than sitting out there all by their lonesome.

-Pat, off to complete my latest BB war:eek:
 

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I knew that.
 

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wow, I'm really falling behind in my write-ups! I'm ready to start Ivan IV Grozny's reign, and I haven't even finished writing 1519 yet! So here we go:

Astrakhan revolts in Dec 1519; I think I cleared this one out. In mid Mar '20 Spain (with lots of allies) declared against France (no allies). France did ok out of it, conquering Helvetica in Nov (ceding it to Cologne in Oct '23) and gaining Franche Comte in Feb '24. In Jun '20 we gained a navy (1 galley) in the Baltic; we'd go on to build 1~2 each year for a while.

In May '21 we founded a trading post at Alga, upgrading it to a (still unproductive) colony the following Mar (it would be another year before we started getting a return on our investment). Despite negative relations with Georgia, I arrange a dynastic marriage with them. And Wurtemberg became the first Protestant country in '23. That Jan Igor took the Baltic Fleet out for a test run, but quickly discovered that winter might not be the best time for that:eek: .

Astrakhan revolts in Feb, and the rebels redouble their efforts in Jun. When the city fell to them on the 2nd, we sent Glinski in to clear space for good Russian and Orthodox settlers. Unfortunately, he died in battle one month later:mad: and we won't have another named leader until 1560:mad: :mad: . In Aug we launch an assault on the city, which fell on 8 Sep leaving a population of...

5000 exactly!:mad: Oh, well, it's bound to revolt again.:rolleyes:

On 2 Jan 1524 we send a Personal Gift to Georgia, raising relations into the positives, and on 1 Apr they join our alliance:D . What with religious upheaval and war in the rest of Europe, we get a stream of refugees in our Baltic port this summer, led in Aug by a conquistador with 3 warships, 3k inf, and 200 settlers. We impound the ships and send the conquistador and his men down to the Caspian basin. He would go on to discover Aralsk, Ust Urt, Turgai, Emba, Vouzatchi, Karaganda, Amou Daria, Kanga, and Ichim before the end of 1527, and oversee the founding of trade posts at Aralsk and Turgai and a colony at Karaganda.

More countries joined Wurtemberg on the side of the New Heretics in these years: Hessen and Hannover in '25, Hanse in '26, Thuringen in '27, and Sweden and Palatinat in '28. In Jan '25 a Danish envoy appeared in Moscow to suggest a dynastic marriage, to which we agreed. On 5 Dec that year we reestablished the alliance (what, no war for an entire decade?!?) with Georgia, and bring Denmark back in the following Apr.

Tula revolted twice in these years, in Mar '25 and again in Apr '28. The best news, though, was that Astrakhan with its city garrison revolted in Nov '24. Our army handled the rabble with ease, and settled in for a patient seige, our plan being to starve the populace down to size. When the city finally surrendered on 22 Feb '26, its population was down to 4992, and so we sent settlers and had the province completely pacified by the end of Apr.:cool:

-Pat
coming next: the Swedish War
 

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No worries Pat about falling back:p

looking foward to the Swedish war, I guess you are going to beat the crap out of them;)
 

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Originally posted by Lord E
No worries Pat about falling back:p

looking foward to the Swedish war, I guess you are going to beat the crap out of them;)

The first time, yes:rolleyes: . After that comes the BIG BB war. Remember when I said that my English BB war when I conquered the Mughals was my longest ever? Not any more.:eek: The amazing thing is, with only two allies (well chosen, though), without any named leaders, without taking out lots of loans, without cutting back on research, and with a paucity of diplomats, I was able to fight overlapping wars (including two declarations by Sweden) along my entire border that lasted 7 years and a few days with nothing worse than white peaces, and putting me firmly in the lead in the BB race:( :D .

-Pat

and why won't the game let me massacre the population to under 5k? I have to keep interrupting my seige of Crimea to make sure I don't capture it until enough people have starved (anywhere from 0 to 4 each month), which is going to take some 5 years:mad:
 

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Originally posted by pjcrowe
The first time, yes:rolleyes: . After that comes the BIG BB war. Remember when I said that my English BB war when I conquered the Mughals was my longest ever? Not any more.:eek: The amazing thing is, with only two allies (well chosen, though), without any named leaders, without taking out lots of loans, without cutting back on research, and with a paucity of diplomats, I was able to fight overlapping wars (including two declarations by Sweden) along my entire border that lasted 7 years and a few days with nothing worse than white peaces, and putting me firmly in the lead in the BB race:( :D .

-Pat

and why won't the game let me massacre the population to under 5k? I have to keep interrupting my seige of Crimea to make sure I don't capture it until enough people have starved (anywhere from 0 to 4 each month), which is going to take some 5 years:mad:

WOW:eek:
Great work Pat. I think you are more lucky that you deserve sometimes;)
And don't worry you will get them under 5K after soem time, yeah like 200 years:p
 

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Originally posted by Lord E
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Great work Pat. I think you are more lucky that you deserve sometimes;)
And don't worry you will get them under 5K after soem time, yeah like 200 years:p

Luck? Luck has nothing to do with it!:mad: It's all skill.:D

Actually, it's recognizing a hopeless situation and getting out as cheap as possible. That and having the patience to wait for the right moment to get one's revenge.:cool:

And so, on to the First Swedish War.

On 2 Jul 1528, I allow Igor to issue a declaration against Sweden, after making sure we had the troops and the allies all in place (something our real-world Igor has failed to do: he'll attack before all the troops are in place and "Allies? We don't need no stinkin' allies!":rolleyes: ). Georgia (not really needed for this war) and Denmark (who's in the alliance for just this purpose) both support us. Our troops move to seige Osterbotten and Karelia; Sweden builds troops in its Finnish territories, but marches around our seiges, through Kola, in order to attack Denmark. OK, I guess the Danes serve two purposes.

On 8 Aug we face off against one of their fleets in the Gulf of Finland; their naval tech is noticibly better than ours, and they have no troops on board, so we withdraw to port (prudence is the better part of valor). The next day they offer a truce, but we don't declare war just for the fun of it (well, I don't). On the 19th Poland declared war on us, and although we called upon our allies, and they accepted, we don't have the troops for another front so we offer a truce, which they accept.

As proof of the righteousness of our cause, winter comes late to Karelia and Osterbotten:cool: . In Dec we launch assaults, and while Osterbotten holds Karelia falls on the 10th. Two days later we turn down another offer of a truce. The start of 1529 saw our Trade Tech advance, allowing monopolies (I immediately take advantage of this at Novogorod) and raising our multiple to .30. We initiate a new assault on Osterbotten in early Feb, the city falling on the 3rd. TND they offer us Karelia, and this offer we accept. Igor wished to drag the war on longer, but I convinced Vassili that we should husband our strength and prepare for better targets elsewhere. As Karelia was a heretical province, we send settlers to convert it to Orthodoxy.

On 12 May Bohemia did a foolish thing, much though the Machiavelli in us admired its results: completely lacking an army, they declared war on Poland. They were joined by Brandenburg and Saxony, but they would be forced to cede Silesia on 12 Aug '31. But this declaration had the effect of embroiling Poland in a protracted BB war. Crimea (with Iraq, Algiers, and the Mameluks) declared on 26 Feb '30, as did Hanse with Portugal on 16 May. In spite of the fact that they were winning, Crimea offered Poland 32 gold to purchase peace on 23 Sep '31, and Hanse was deprived of East Pommerania on 13 Apr '35. In the meanwhile, however, the Teutonic Order had declared war three days earlier. When Hungary declared war on 7 Aug of that year, Poland again found itself at war with the originators, Bohemia, Brandenburg, and Saxony.

During this amusing interlude, we built Alga into a city, discovered Omsk and Semipalatinsk, and built Karaganda (500 natives) into a city. Diplomatically, I arranged dynastic ties with Hungary, finnagled Personal Gifts to Georgia for a three consecutive years, bringing relations from +50 to +170, as well as one to Denmark (otherwise they'd drop out if we call upon their support). When our Land Tech advanced (Level 6) in Mar '35, I directed all research into Infrastructure.

Oh, and Vassili died, but his son Ivan was only 3 years old, so Igor, myself, Ivan's mother Yelena Glinkaya, and a number of Boyards institute a regency.

-Pat

coming soon: THE BB War.
 

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speaking of BB, how high is yours now?
 

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Originally posted by Lord E
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Great work Pat. I think you are more lucky that you deserve sometimes;)
And don't worry you will get them under 5K after some time, yeah like 200 years:p

you can make it faster.

crank the intolerance to muslims (or whatever chosen pogrom target) to the minimum. revolt risk will be in the 10% or higher range, depending on nationalism. you may want to build a tax man to accelerate discontent by another 1%.

have a nice sized army sitting in next province over (one that is non muslim).

wait for the province to revolt. LET the rebels capture the province. then move in with your army, defeat the rebels and beseige the province.

if population is below 5000, you can colonise and convert. if not yet, withdraw your troops and repeat.

a revolt, a battle and two seiges can remarkably reduce a province's population. 20,000 to 5,000 drop can be managed systematically in 2-3 revolts over a 10 year period.

anyway, just a strategy if you want some blood on your hands. good thing its just a game.:cool:
 

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Originally posted by saskganesh
you can make it faster.

crank the intolerance to muslims (or whatever chosen pogrom target) to the minimum. revolt risk will be in the 10% or higher range, depending on nationalism. you may want to build a tax man to accelerate discontent by another 1%.

have a nice sized army sitting in next province over (one that is non muslim).

wait for the province to revolt. LET the rebels capture the province. then move in with your army, defeat the rebels and beseige the province.

Which is exactly what I've been doing. As I said at the begining, tolerance levels are maxed out for Orthodox, absolute minimum for infidels, and the various heretics split the remainder evenly. What takes a long time is for the population to die from starvation during the seige; massacres when the city falls won't take the population below 5000. So the time we're discussing, the pop was 5063 to start, and it took almost 3 years to starve it below 5k.

-Pat
 

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ok. youre on track. how about using a bigger army? foot is cheap esp as russia, and rebels have a lower support threshold than you? anyhow, the math is in your favour,and it sholdnt take that much longer.

practise now, and then use to great effect in ME. convert Persia!:D
 

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Just popped in to mention that, IIRC, if you open the savefile (while not playing) with a text editor, and right below the line that says 'TAG = POL' you change 'major = yes' to 'major = no' you should be able to annex them w/o using any IGC or other options.
'TAG = HAB' is Austria if you have to do that as well :)

At least I think it was like this, comments?

Nice game btw :p
 

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ok. youre on track. how about using a bigger army? foot is cheap esp as russia, and rebels have a lower support threshold than you? anyhow, the math is in your favour,and it sholdnt take that much longer.

practise now, and then use to great effect in ME. convert Persia!:D

One God, One King, One Country:D

And does the IGC add a slider for Pagan? As long as I have +3 Stability, I can't get Kurgan to revolt so as to convert it.:mad: Guess I'll just have to let Denmark capture it from their province next door...:rolleyes: Other than trade posts, that's the only province that I control that's not Orthodox.

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Well now, on 4 Oct 1535, the issue is settled at the Kremlin, and we jump on the Polish bandwagon, supported by our allies Georgia and Denmark; the scups offer us a truce on the 20th, which is obviously declined. On the 30th, Igor precipitated a Political Crisis by trying to kick me and my supporters, various baronesses known collectively as the Dixie Chicks:rolleyes: , out of the regency (-3 Stability and values =2 for 6 months, although the computer never caught on to that time limit:mad: ). I immediately direct all investments into restoring stability.

Then it became our turn to be jumped on as Sibir and Sweden declare against us, on 19 Nov and 27 Jan respectively. We had planned on a war with Sibir, but not at a time of their choosing, and our troops were out of position. The Swedish declaration was too much to handle all at once, and so we immediately offered a truce, which they accepted.

In early Apr the Teutonic Order joined our seige of Welikia, but we insisted on retaining command and the city surrendered to us on 15 Jul. The next day we turned down their 4th offer of a white peace. Alga fell to Sibir on 4 Jul, and in early Sep they torched our trade post at Aralsk. Attrition was wrecking havoc on our troops beseiging their cities, so with no real hope of victory we I forced through an offer of a truce against Igor's hysterics, which offer was accepted by Sibir on 1 Nov.

On 13 Feb 1537 Poland cedes Galacia and Krakow to Hungary. Smolensk surrendered on 17 Mar, and on 7 Apr Poland offered to cede it to us. We politely said 'Not yet':D . About this time Denmark abandoned their seige of Donetsk to us, which surrendered on 12 Jul. Two days later, the Poles added it to their offer of Smolensk, but we would prefer something with Welikia. Kursk fell on 13 Oct, and TND we demanded Welikia, Donetsk, and cash, gaining 47 gold. They would go on to cede Kurland and cash to the Teutonic Order on 2 Mar '38.

In the meantime, however, Crimea (backed by Iraq and the Mameluks) declared against us on 20 Jun; Georgia and Denmark came to our aid. Kouban switched hands a few times, falling to Georgia in mid Oct, being recaptured by Crimea in late Dec, and finally falling again, this time to Denmark, in mid Aug '38. In late Dec Denmark abandoned the siege of the capital to us, and the city fell on 20 Apr '38. The day after Kouban fell to the Danes, Crimea offered us a truce, to which we replied "HA!" The only places they can raise troops are Kaffa and Kerch, both of which were building ships.

Azow surrendered on 28 Oct, and TND they paid off Georgia with 89 gold. Kalmuk surrendered on 9 Dec, and they offer it on 2 Jan '39. By this time our stability has returned to its standard high. On 28 May they would offer it and Azow for peace, but we're holding out for complete conquest. Kaffa fell on 14 Jul, and TND Crimea accepted Denmark's demand for Kouban and cash (29 gold). All that remained now was Kerch, but soon they were beseiging their capital. Our rushed assault failed to take the city, and their capture of their capital extended the war a good many months.

Good news came in mid Mar 1540, when we pooled enough capital to open a National Bank, allowing for bigger loans. Kerch fell on 9 Apr, and when they offered Kalmuk TND we replied "Pshaw!", not because it means anything but because it's fun to say.:D When their capital fell again on 1 Jul, we annexed the country, gaining a Black Sea fleet of 19 warships and additions to our army of nearly 6700 inf and 40 cannon. I sent settlers to force convert Azov and Kaffa, both actions successful.

Unfortunately, we discovered that we were still at war with their allies, and our offer of a truce was declined.:( So we loaded some of the troops on our new navy and sent them off to Egypt to force the issue. But then we found ourselves in yet another overlapping war, as Persia declared against us on 23 Aug, our allies joining in. The Mameluks offered us the same truce they refused earlier when they found out about our invasion plans, on 7 Jan '41.

About that time Denmark abandoned command of the seige at Azerbadzian to us so as to fight for their province of Kouban, which would fall to the Persians in early May. In late May-early Jun we held off an attempt to lift our seige, and the city surrendered on 17 Jun. Immediately after defeating Persia in a big battle on 5 Nov, we demand tribute, gaining 81 gold.

We got out of that war because on 17 Jul, for the second time in this series of wars, we found ourselves attacked by Sweden. They had no armies on our border, so we figured we'd chance it this time and called upon our allies. Unfortunately, they managed to get a large army with an excellent commander to Ingermanland before we could do anything to them. This army repelled all our attempts to lift their seige, so with the city weeks away from surrender we offered a truce on 13 Oct '42 and they accepted. It took just over seven years, but we were finally at peace again.

-Pat
I'll talk about all the revolts along the Black Sea next time.
 

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You... conquered.... SIBIR!?!?!?!?! WHEN?!?!?!?!?! WHY?!?!?!?!?!?

Why did you conquer the only true Empire of the Steppes?
 

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Originally posted by pjcrowe
And does the IGC add a slider for Pagan?

nope, which is too bad. maybe next time kurgan revolts through war exhaustion, leave a cover force and let them sit there for 20 years. this may not be practical.

OTOH, you probably could ignore the pagans as there is no slider, there is no intolerance, and so province will be generally peaceful and happy to be relegiously unique in an otherwise orthodox empire.

hmm, anyone know more about pagans?