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crash63

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I had some strange things in my game. I had a bad reputation (-1.7%) but when I have killing a schyzo in my court, my reputation becomes perfect.

After this I have made a test. I grab one title (reputation -0.5%) and kill a courtier just after. My reputation becomes excellent immediately.

It's a bug (I play with the latest beta) ? :confused:
 

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crash63 said:
I had some strange things in my game. I had a bad reputation (-1.7%) but when I have killing a schyzo in my court, my reputation becomes perfect.

After this I have made a test. I grab one title (reputation -0.5%) and kill a courtier just after. My reputation becomes excellent immediately.

It's a bug (I play with the latest beta) ? :confused:

Interesting. Is it just with the charchter you are playing (is he a duke, king, count?) i.e. can you tell us with whom? what scenario?

Have you tried it with another ruler?

Ayeshteni
 

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I would find it very weird if it is WAD.

This would make the possible exploit of the kingdom of Navarra look innocent. :)
 

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Veldmaarschalk said:
I would find it very weird if it is WAD.

This would make the possible exploit of the kingdom of Navarra look innocent. :)

It would make the navarra exploit look positively angelic!

Crash63 said:
For me it's a big bug.

Indeed. Go on an expansionist rampage and then murder some insignificant old courtiers.

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<ruler>:"My loyal vassals and subjects, I must inform you of tragic and frightening developments. One of the enemies of our realm, too cowardly to contend with honor against us on the field of battle, has begun a dastardly campaign of assassination against us! We must stand together against such underhanded villany! I swear on the fresh grave of my sainted grandmother that this realm shall not rest until her killer has been drawn and quartered and those responsible for hiring him have paid dearly for their treachery!"
<court applauds, vassals pledge their aid, express sympathy, etc.>
<ruler>"I go now to secret counsel with my spymaster, to plot our revenge upon these villans."
<spymaster to ruler, in private> "Well, that went better than I expected. Most of the nobles believed you about the external threat."
<ruler>: "Indeed, it may not be necessary to knock off Aunt Trina after all. Put that plan on hold if it's not too late. If it is I'll understand, she's outlived her usefulness anyway."

That's the dynamic that is modeled by reducing badboy for killing your own court. If, however, you get caught doing it, you get more BB and a chance at Kinslayer, which will ruin your whole decade. Seems WAD to me.
 

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It is WAD (although, somewhat of an exploit).

Once you are two or three generations into your micromanaged breeding program, children who are "not up to snuff" can be quickly and easily recycled into new title claims.

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Step one: "Aymer and Margarita had a son. He will be named Odon."

Step two: Odon is a 2/5/7/1 clubfooted moron.

Step three: "Joan King of Aragon has laid claim to the title Count of Isle of Man."

Step four: "We attempted to assassinate Odon de Toulouse and SUCCEEDED!"

(wait a month)

Step five: "We have an honourable reputation."

Step six: Rinse, lather, repeat.
 

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what's the point of this, a duke loving his king more due to the fact that the king has slain a crazed guy ? :eek:

perhaps there should be an event - where this can work out for you - but also turn out rather nasty,

it's not because you kill somebody - that others will like you defacto more,
 

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u-huh :D
 

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Spruce said:
perhaps there should be an event - where this can work out for you - but also turn out rather nasty,

Already there. If you assassinate and are successful, your BB goes down because you blame it on outsiders and your vassals close ranks with you against the external threat. If you are caught, your BB goes up, and you might get the kinslayer trait, which is EXTREMELY bad.
 

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I do this a whole lot because i only grab and annex counties and not duchies or kingdoms, so my bb-rate is always quite hight. The problem with killing off your own courtiers is usually that it results in a extremly low piety-score.

By the way, if you fix this, then please fix something with the badboy-thing in general. You can grab and claim King of France-Title and get like 60 provs and this results in the same BB-Gain than claiming and grabbing Count of Isle of Man or something? Doesn`t look right imho. That`s the biggest Problem i have with CK at the current state.