A bit fantasy AAR

[Legolas]

This is my AAR about Poland-Lithuania in the GC. I will make a start, and, since it isn't a true AAR, but rather a fantasy story, anyone might add anything to it. So, here it begins...

In 1492, P-L is a superpower. But they still want more. Their leaders foresee that Turkey would annex Mameluks and perhaps Crimea and noone wants this to happen. So, lots of reinforcements are being sent to Krementjug and Bessarabia. A claim on their throne is also sent, and it lowers P-L's relation with Turkey to -200. But, as a war is being prepared, Golden Horde (allies Kazan and Georgia) declares war upon the country... What will P-L do:
1) Try to sign a white peace;
2) Send some armies from Turkean border and slaughter the Tatars;
3) Anything else?
It's up to you to decide. It's the year 1502, and future history can be totally different...

 

[unmerged(2377)]

Slaughter them!

 

[unmerged(5995)]

Legolas wrote:
'2) Send some armies from Turkean border and slaughter the Tatars;'


This sounds like a good idea for a start. Make them sorry they dared to challenge Poland-Lithuania.

 

[unmerged(4972)]

2) Slaughter the Tartars!

 

[unmerged(904)]

Aren't we all a little blood thirsty ? Three responses and all included the word slaughter

 

[Legolas]

OK, the results are: 3 for slaughter and one for nothing. Here it continues...

The mighty armies of P-L, wisely led by the leader (OOPS, I forgot their names), were sent from Poltava and Krementjug to teach these damn Tatars a lesson. There were about 12k infantry, 30k cavalry and 15 cannons. They met the main GH forces in Saratow. A slaughter was long... The army of GH was reduced to about 2k and the mighty P-L forces took Saratow in one assault. Then the army was divided into two parts: the smaller one went back to Voronezh, merged with reinforcements (3k infantry + 15k cavalry) and took the city before winter came. Then the army was sent back to Krementjug.
What for the bigger part, they besieged Kujbyschev and waited, because of infantry shortage. The city surrendered in March 1503. Then GH offered a peace agreement, offering Saratow and 52d. P-L declined. The army marched towards Samara and had the city besieged in July 1503. They destroyed 10k of GH troops on their way. Samara surrendered in July 1504. Then it was a time for another decision. What to do now:
1) annex GH and be a BadBoy;
2) demand some provinces (maybe all three) and be a GoodBoy;
3) demand money from GH;
4) sign a white peace and be a very GoodBoy;
5) anything else...

Once more it's up to ypu to decide. Think quickly.

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Annex!
And go for Kazan later(if you're still at war with them)

 

[Vulture]

ANNEX!!! TAKE THAT GOLD

I like this AAR

NOW GO FOR TURKEY
BE A MEAN BAD BOY ....... YIHAAAAAA

 

[Legolas]

I think I will wait for more votes about what to do with GH, and now I'll only write what happened to Kazan...

In October 1502, when the war was just started, troops from Kazan besieged Tula. The forces contained about 15k infantry and 25k cavalry and 20 cannons. If the siege began in March or April, Tula would be lost. But, fortunately, winter came. When it passed by, in February 1503, Kazan forces were too few to continue the siege. HAHAHAAAAA!!! They trvelled back to their homeland to get reinforcements. But at the time, Russia declared war upon them. That looked great! In two months, Kazan and Ryazan were besieged. Kazan offered peace to P-L, offering 250d. P-L accepted. Perhaps this wasn't a very good choice, but it was done... Kazan lost to Russia, but managed to get a peace by giving only 250d. They must have good diplomats, of course.
And for Georgia, their fleet was destroyed by P-L's fleet and they resigned from war with a white peace. P-L accepted that, because they didn't want to get provinces far from the mainland.
In the meantime, P-L's diplomats managed to make RMs with Hannover, Hungary and France. And here comes another question - the allies. What should P-L do:
1) join France's alliance together with Savoy, Navarra and Helvetia;
2) create their own alliance with Hungary and Hannover;
3) try to conquer the world without any allies.

Decide quickly, and don't forget to vote for the destiny of GH.

 

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GH - annex
Alliance - ally with sweden

 

[Storey]

Annex the Golden Horde or someone else will.

Create your own alliance with Hungary and Hannover. Both can come in handy covering your western border.

Don't try to conquer the world. It gets boring having to put down constant revolts.

Joe

 

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Annex the GH, in Samara-there's gold in them thar hills An allaince with France would be a good stragetic move at this time, however an alliance with Hungary would be more practical. I vote with Storey, make your own alliance.

 

[Legolas]

OK, the results are 6-0 for annexing the GH.

P-L sent a peace agreement to GH, demanding complete annexation. At first GH refused, because they thought that Kazan would help them. But when Kazan resigned, GH had no other chance but to become a province of P-L. This annexation made P-L a bit more powerful and also made that Russia won't be able to get to the gates of Sibir so fast.
Lithuania wanted to create an alliance with Sweden, but Sweden was still a vassal of Denmark, so P-L had to create a new alliance. The first allies were Hungary, then Hannover and Hessen. These allies made that P-L could lower the number of armies on their southwestern border. What about France, they threw themselves in another war with England, Spain and The Palatinat. France was on a losing side... Navarra was already annexed by Spain, the northern provinces fell one after another, the fleet was totally destroyed, and even Paris was under siege. So, joining an alliance of a country that may be destroyed wasn't a very wise decision.
In the meantime, Crimea declared war upon Persia. Their armies marched far east, and they had no allies, so some men in P-L wanted to attack this country. So, here comes a time of another decision...
1) Should P-L attack Crimea and try to smash this barbaric horde;
2) Or should they wait and see what happens.

Again, it is time for you to decide. Remember, the year is 1512, and it is October...

 

[unmerged(6015)]

Wait and see what happens, then attack any weakened nations.

 

[Magraev]

A tip maybe - loose the muslim provinces to minimize rbellions, go for annexing Russia instead !!

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Do you have CB on Crimea? If not, wait till Turkey allied with Crimea Dow Hungary, then attack it. (2 Stab loss is too big for PLC).
Ally with Hungary, of course.
And turn Protestant And go and colonize Siberia

 

[unmerged(5941)]

I like what Magraev said. Hold off on the muslim nations and look to the North. Russia or the Teutonic Order sound pretty good. If you are daring enough, ge west into Germany. Hannover can actually help you in Germany.

 

[unmerged(4972)]

I think you should wait. Crimea is less a threat than Russia. Russia starts out weak economically and their military technology is low. They will have to be dealt with sooner or later. And with Tula being adjacent to Moscow it allows for a quick seizure of their capitol thus a better peace agreement It's still early I say wait for the right opportunity then jump on it!

 

[Legolas]

So, as I see, noone wants P-L to attack Crimea. Well, as you wish...

In November 1512, most of Lithuanian forces were sent from Krementjug and Poltava to Wielikia and Lithuania. This was seen as a threat by the leaders of TO. They tried to get a RM with P-L, but Lithuania refused. Then TO managed to create a strong anti-Lithuanian alliance of TO, Kurland, Prussia (yes, they managed to get out of vassalization) and Pskov. This, however, wasn't a great threat to this powerful country. A war erupted in May 1517, when this alliance had total forces of about 35k men, 25k cavalry and 70 cannon. P-L forces on their border were 30k men, 45k cavalry and 50 cannon, and P-L had about 1500d... The war went as such:
1) 1517 May - 1519 August: P-L manages to annex Kurland and Pskov, and Hungary gets Memel besieged.
2) 1519 August - 1522 January: P-L loses Pskov, Wielikia and even Lithuania, but annexes Prussia.
3) 1522 January - 1527 April: P-L throws all forces to the war, brutally defeats TO troops and Dorpat falls under the siege. Narva falls also, and, as Hungary takes Memel, only Reval is left... A messenger from TO arrives, he offers 500d. What must P-L do:
1) accept;
2) demand Ingermanland or Memel instead;
3) wait until Reval falls and annex TO.

It's up for you to decide, and now I shall talk about another parts of the world...

France's armies all marched south: one part retreating from English guys, and other part taking Spain's cities one after another. When Madrid fell, France managed to get peace with Spain, taking Navarra and Rousillion. The Palatinat resigned soon after this, and then "only" England remained. Their armies took lots of cities, but a rebellion started in Britanny. It was succesful, a new nation, Britanny was created. It had four provinces, with a capital in Maine.
England accepted Frances peace offer of Normandie, because they also had some revolts. These were crushed down, however, but England suffered a lot.
And for the Near East - Crimea LOST to Persia. Their army was scaterred, their provinces fell and fell. Persia took three provinces with a peace agreement, leaving Crimea with only Crimea, Kaffa and Azov. Then Crimea joined the alliance of Turkey, Wallachia and Moldovia. One month later, they became vassals of Turkey...

So, this part is already finished. Vote again, and you'll get more.

 

[unmerged(6015)]

demand Ingermanland or Memel and if they refuse, crush them.