While I agree it should be difficult for a feudal ruler to become the leader of a monastic society, I'm not sure I've ever joined one and had that not end up being the case for my characters. Heck, in my latest playthrough, without going through any real effort bar the occasional seclusion in meditation, I was made head of the Community of Saint Basil very shortly after ascending to the second rank in the society. In my experience, at least, I'd say the current penalty isn't weighted enough in favour of monks and priests
No, a vanilla game. I'm not 100% sure the makeup of the society at the time, but there were definitely several of my clerical vassals in it
A rank 1 priest has a base score of 1,000. Rank 4 (without priest or other modifiers) is a base score of 400. The only way I could see a player character becoming head of a monastic society is if there were not a single priest, monk, or nun in it.
Load up the save (I wasn't very clear in stating it, but my latest playthrough was yesterdayHmm. Then I have no reasonable hypothesis, heh.
Assuming you're not making a mistake or misremembering, and you seem pretty confident that you're not, I'm just gonna have to chalk this one up to "oh well, guess I'll never know."
If it does happen again, though, would you be able to take a screenshot?
). I think I've found the cause. The Order of Saint Anthony (misremembered the name) doesn't actually have member score modifiers defined apart from the bonus from rank and learning (about to file a bug report regarding this). I'd hazard that in this specific case, when the Abbasids ate the thitherto successful Miaphysite Armenia, many of the higher-ranking members of the society had their days very quickly become numbered, leading to my middling-learning Doux becoming the head of the society. However, even in monastic orders with properly defined member scores, unintentionally becoming the leader has been fairly commonplace in my experience
I just think the way that it's displayed is really confusing. Also the way score is calculated is done very poorly. When a monk becomes a bishop, he loses the monk trait. I don't know know how the monastic orders worked historically, but it just doesn't make sense to me that because someone is put in a position of authority he suddenly becomes much less qualified to lead the order.The monastic societies are intentionally made this way in order to make it nigh impossible for non-priest non-monks to become heads of the orders. The reason can be found in my post above.
It's bugged to not have the correct (or, indeed, any) additional weights and multipliers for member score, aye. It's been reported and should hopefully be fixed in a coming patch.
