All of the hivemind talk really seems like wishful thinking. I see no evidence to support it.
9th Ethos from stream? 2017/02/16
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Let's go through the facts about this window:
- Its the ''Factions'' screen.
- The icon is on the same line of the 8 ethoses.
- The icon in question have 0% pop followers just like Authoritarian, Xenophob and Materalist.
Anything more?
- Its the ''Factions'' screen.
- The icon is on the same line of the 8 ethoses.
- The icon in question have 0% pop followers just like Authoritarian, Xenophob and Materalist.
Anything more?
That icon as a representation of rebel/separatist factions seems logical, since the new faction system is an evolution of the current faction system. Plus, the rebel/separatist factions need representation of some kind.
It has a dot in the lowest hexagon, similar to the dot in the Xenophobe symbol. That's all I've got.
Unless it simply represents the percentage of pops that are in a hivemind, and thus outside of the normal ethics system, like I speculated upthread.
We know that hiveminds will be the subject of the next developer diary, so in all likelihood, that hypothesis will be either confirmed or falsified next week.
there would be no fanatical version because you are either part of the hive mind or your not.
That still isn't an ethics, like every other one that is besides them. We don't have a similar icon for people with Psionic powers or for Transhumanist races. In all likelihood it is not an Hivemind ethics.
I'm wondering what would be the nature of said Hive Mind.
1) Will it have a higher authority like a queen in a Hive, making everyone to do her bidding?
or
2) Something more akin to the Geth Consencus in Mass Effect (all minds as one)?
Could it be that this is just a higher level of an Authoritarian/Egalitarian ethos?
1) Will it have a higher authority like a queen in a Hive, making everyone to do her bidding?
or
2) Something more akin to the Geth Consencus in Mass Effect (all minds as one)?
Could it be that this is just a higher level of an Authoritarian/Egalitarian ethos?
Upon further investigation, the percentages at the top of the Factions screen appear to represent ethics attraction, not the actual percentage of pops that have each ethic - the latter percentage is listed in a tooltip instead. It was this way in the dev diary about the ethics rework, as well as in today's Stellaris livestream where all of Wiz's pops turned militarist due to an event chain - note how all of his pops are in the militarist faction, but the percentages at the top still reflect the ethics composition expected from natural ethics drift. If hiveminds are a lategame Ascension sort of thing, there could still be a mechanic where pops gradually get integrated into the hivemind, but I'm not sure using ethics drift as the mechanic for that makes the most sense, so that blows a bit of a hole in my theory.
How is collective machine consciousness, akin to the Geth of mass effect, biological?
Please I'd love to see you explain that one
I could imagine that there isn't any fanatical version of it.
And for choosing, we have the wheel with the 8 ethics and the hive mind in the center
Because it is literally part of ones organism. That is what biology is. Bees and ants don't choose to belong into the hivemind or not. They don't decide to go rogue or countermand whatever is required of them. It is not a conscious choice.
Ethics and mores are subjective and ever shifting morals of each individual or a group of individuals, which wax and wane in rules depending on the group's context.
If the hivemind was something that you could pick and choose - when you decided to join, when you decided to quit, when you decided to return and leave again - it wouldn't be a hive mind. It would be an internet lobby.
Regionalism/Separatism as a separate ethics make entire sense in such perspective. Some groups of people may be Separatists, and some may not. Those that are Separatists today might not be tomorrow, and Regionalism/Separatism is a rather subjective ideal, much like other ethics, which is subject to influence and change.
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Ask the green ending of 3, since in that ending, the Geth are probably now organic uh.. Collective machine consciousness. Sorta.
You confuse the precursor reapers, withe the quarian made ai that worships said precursors
Going slightly of-topic here, but neither bees nor ants have anything (as far as we know of course) that could be described as 'mind', they just act on instinct and environment (feromones etc.) The worker bees follow the queen by genetics, as much as the queen is a slave of her own genetics as well.
As for speculation, I do think it is something like hive-mindedness, perhaps unlocked by the last parts in either (or both) of the psionics and materialist trees, after which your pops start drifting towards it. It makes a lot of sense that telepathic or networked individuals start developing a completely new ethics framework.
If true it would probably unlock new government types, maybe even machine consciousness
Though the sci-fi concept of the hive mind does derive from those social organizations, how each individual is seemingly divested of personality, but whose existence and labour (e.g. his perceptible will) is completely subsumed to the collective objective. These behaviours make the backbone of the hivemind concept, and as you agree with me, these behaviours are fundamentally due to a biological specificity, rather than to anything we can consider "morals" or "ethics". It is laughable to even attempt to consider it as such from an individual insect's perspective.
As for speculation, I do think it is something like hive-mindedness, perhaps unlocked by the last parts in either (or both) of the psionics and materialist trees, after which your pops start drifting towards it. It makes a lot of sense that telepathic or networked individuals start developing a completely new ethics framework.
If true it would probably unlock new government types, maybe even machine consciousness
I believe those transformations, since they might fundamentally alter the biology of a species, are much better and more realistically placed on the species traits, rather than on the ethics.
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hehe.
(before anybody thinks that is spamming Wiz, note that only the middle one actually pings him.
EDOOT: Ack, it changed so that all of them ping him, nvm that idea.
hehe.
(before anybody thinks that is spamming Wiz, note that only the middle one actually pings him.
EDOOT: Ack, it changed so that all of them ping him, nvm that idea.
It doesn't particularly make sense for individual pops in a hivemind to have ethics, either. That's why I am suggesting that the hivemind mechanic may replace pops' ethics wholesale: in place of an ethic, hivemind pops would have the trait of being in a hivemind. It makes sense to represent it in the ethics view since it is a replacement for having an ethic.
Treating it as a special case of the ethics system might open some mechanical possibilities, such as (assuming it's an Ascension thing) using it to model a gradual process of convincing pops to voluntarily go through the hivemind transformation (instead of an entire species one day all deciding to slot some hivemind implant into their brains without anybody stopping to question whether that's actually such a good idea).
As for this...
...Psionic pops don't have their own 'ethic' because psionics are still individuals with personal notions of morality. Remember that in the upcoming expansion, each pop can only have a single ethic - it's not as if all psionics automatically share a single agenda. The same won't necessarily be the case for hivemind pops.
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It's the hivemind.
It's there for mechanics' sake - to make sure that the pops that join the hivemind don't join any faction.
Hivemind pops get full attraction towards this ethos, leaving any and all factions other than the hivemind. The hivemind faction is there to ensure that even as a hivemind you get influence that other nations would get from various different factions.
It's there for mechanics' sake - to make sure that the pops that join the hivemind don't join any faction.
Hivemind pops get full attraction towards this ethos, leaving any and all factions other than the hivemind. The hivemind faction is there to ensure that even as a hivemind you get influence that other nations would get from various different factions.