928 hours logged, first time I've gotten this event as a settled nation.
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It's either an event that can happen for Hordes, and for the rest it has an extreme MTTH, or it was added in 1.8. 1200+ hours here, I never seen it. Neat, though.
The horde event is a separate event; they're also eligible for the one with the ridiculous MTTH. Either way, yeah this event is pretty great. Wish it happened more often; I've only read about it; never seen it ingame.
never seen it in my 800hours too 
Nevertheless a nice event.
I like how you even find new things after that much time.
Nevertheless a nice event.
I like how you even find new things after that much time.
I ended up having that event 3 or 4 times in my Qing game, when I didn't form Manchu until like 1650 or so cause hordes are too good.
One of my first games ever was as the Oirat horde, and with every war with Ming you used to get one or two provinces for 'free'. I think it was in 1.2 or something like that (before CN's thats for sure). Also you got that legitimacy thing with occupation which made hordes a lot more fun than what they are now.
I have seen this many times in my >2000 hours (since everyone is posting this, lol).
I believe if you look around there was a revolt at some point and the land was sieged, however, the rebels left the land, encountered an army from someone and died. The land thus was sieged down by Greek Patriots or some such and in some cases rather than forming a nation that isn't around atm (Greece is a good example) it defected to you. I have had this happen 2 or 3 times now in 1.8 games and more times than that in the many other games I've played in previous versions. So it's not so much a mtth factor as a possibility when the conditions are just right - something that is fairly uncommon much of the time.
You would see this happen a good bit more, I think, if you did something like play a country wherein your enemy has many of your cores or lands with your culture, blob up, attack them, win the war, get it to where you occupy all their provinces and do _not_ do a peace deal. Rather, watch unrest and revolt risk for *their* lands, let it go up until revolts for your culture take place, as well as a few others, and then declare your peace and do take lands with your culture that ajoin the rebeling provinces. Once they have sieged down some provinces and they come on to your lands, destroy them.
Now, the tricky part. Your enemy has to not siege the occupied provinces. So optimally, in your peace, take provinces that split your enemy's main lands from the besieged provinces such that he cannot send troops to take them back.
If you are lucky and there isn't a country to spawn with the same culture as you (less likely in 1.8, more common in prior versions) or in some cases, even if there is, then it may well flip directly to you instead of forming a different nation.
I picked up a Circassian land as Georgia this way in one of the playthroughs i was doing to experiment with Georgia. It *should* normally have formed a new Circassia. Instead, it defected to me.
You'll thus see this quite frequently, albeit, in the *rare* circumstances that everything works out right for this. If there are still rebel armies around, I haven't seen it flip to me. So I am fairly certain the rebels being dead after the sieging is key.
I believe if you look around there was a revolt at some point and the land was sieged, however, the rebels left the land, encountered an army from someone and died. The land thus was sieged down by Greek Patriots or some such and in some cases rather than forming a nation that isn't around atm (Greece is a good example) it defected to you. I have had this happen 2 or 3 times now in 1.8 games and more times than that in the many other games I've played in previous versions. So it's not so much a mtth factor as a possibility when the conditions are just right - something that is fairly uncommon much of the time.
You would see this happen a good bit more, I think, if you did something like play a country wherein your enemy has many of your cores or lands with your culture, blob up, attack them, win the war, get it to where you occupy all their provinces and do _not_ do a peace deal. Rather, watch unrest and revolt risk for *their* lands, let it go up until revolts for your culture take place, as well as a few others, and then declare your peace and do take lands with your culture that ajoin the rebeling provinces. Once they have sieged down some provinces and they come on to your lands, destroy them.
Now, the tricky part. Your enemy has to not siege the occupied provinces. So optimally, in your peace, take provinces that split your enemy's main lands from the besieged provinces such that he cannot send troops to take them back.
If you are lucky and there isn't a country to spawn with the same culture as you (less likely in 1.8, more common in prior versions) or in some cases, even if there is, then it may well flip directly to you instead of forming a different nation.
I picked up a Circassian land as Georgia this way in one of the playthroughs i was doing to experiment with Georgia. It *should* normally have formed a new Circassia. Instead, it defected to me.
You'll thus see this quite frequently, albeit, in the *rare* circumstances that everything works out right for this. If there are still rebel armies around, I haven't seen it flip to me. So I am fairly certain the rebels being dead after the sieging is key.
Incidentally, the scenario I suggested to you wherein you keep the war going long after it is won to get rebels is something I do all the time and have been, I think since EU3,,though maybe just in EU4.
Saddling your enemy with a bunch of revolts that spring up new countries wherein they cannot put the revolts down due to you taking lands to split their country up results in you having more countries to attack once you've finished your coring, thus doubling down on taking your enemies lands while having a truce with them.
It's probably because I do this all the time that I see this fairly frequently.
Never take a peace until you *have* to and never peace everyone out at the same time if you are strong. Peace one, start coring, keep the war going and maximize everything - cores you get, revolts on your enemy's lands, everything. Game does more interesting things like the above when you do this.
Saddling your enemy with a bunch of revolts that spring up new countries wherein they cannot put the revolts down due to you taking lands to split their country up results in you having more countries to attack once you've finished your coring, thus doubling down on taking your enemies lands while having a truce with them.
It's probably because I do this all the time that I see this fairly frequently.
Never take a peace until you *have* to and never peace everyone out at the same time if you are strong. Peace one, start coring, keep the war going and maximize everything - cores you get, revolts on your enemy's lands, everything. Game does more interesting things like the above when you do this.
I think you are talking about a different thing here. What you are talking about is provinces deflect to you because of rebels. That hapens quite often if you split enemy teritory. But this thread is about the specific event. It doesn't even need rebels and you can say "nope, i don't want this province"
I think you are talking about a different thing here. What you are talking about is provinces deflect to you because of rebels. That hapens quite often if you split enemy teritory. But this thread is about the specific event. It doesn't even need rebels and you can say "nope, i don't want this province"
Hmmm, either way I get a popup. But you're right, it may be I haven't noticed that there's one with 2 buttons instead of 1.
But I have indeed seen this quite a few times and I am fairly sure it is situational rather than purely luck - a bit of both in other words.
MTTH is 300 months * 0.8 * 0.8 if the target is below -50 prestige, Ultrix, so it's still pretty long. Unrealistic for non-hordes.
Incidentally, the only reason I kept that war going was to get Bulgarian patriots to flip Bulgaria to my vassal.
Instead, this happened.
Flipped to Wallachia... then revolted again a year later. The Bulgarians are just angry in general, one must suppose.
Incidentally, the only reason I kept that war going was to get Bulgarian patriots to flip Bulgaria to my vassal.
Instead, this happened.
Flipped to Wallachia... then revolted again a year later. The Bulgarians are just angry in general, one must suppose.
I only have 224 hours and I've gotten something similar playing as Bahmanis. I got into an extremely long war with the ottomans, and got an event that gave me a core on the first province that I occupied after some years of occupation. Although it claimed it was because it was a shia province under a sunni empire, and me as occupant am Shia too. I think it didn't annex to my empire because it was far away from the border and had the entire timurid empire in between
I had this in my Austria game - the Shetland isles defected to me.....then 10 years later they revolted :angry:
MTTH is 300 months * 0.8 * 0.8 if the target is below -50 prestige, Ultrix, so it's still pretty long. Unrealistic for non-hordes.
Incidentally, the only reason I kept that war going was to get Bulgarian patriots to flip Bulgaria to my vassal.
Instead, this happened.
Flipped to Wallachia... then revolted again a year later. The Bulgarians are just angry in general, one must suppose.
Ah, you didn't do the calculation then, did you? 300*.8*.8, or 64% of 300 or 192 then divide by 12 is 16 years. And since this is the mean it could err in your favor 1/2 the time and not the other 1/2 the time. So not such a low probability thing at all.
Again, it really cannot be all that rare because I've seen it too many times for it to be very rare. The -50 prestige part is the key situational element then.
Well, I did the calculation above and given the math he provided, assuming it is correct, this is not, in fact, a particularly low probability event. The key element, of course, is the -50 prestige which requires beating the utter heck out of your enemy such that subsequent wars they fight with nearby weak countries doesn't yield sufficient prestige for them to recover.
I also have not seen this happen with the rebel units still on the board. It may well be that it could happen anyway, but the times I've seen this, the rebel stack was gone before the event fired.
In my Georgia stream I had the opposite happen. I was fighting and winning a war with Nogai but they were occupying my provinces as I occupied theirs. It stretched on for a while and that event flipped for them, but I kept the event open, peaced out with Nogai and the whole thing went away They didn't get their province and I won the war, ended it a bit earlier then I would have liked though.
They didn't get their province and I won the war, ended it a bit earlier then I would have liked though.
Yeah, I got this multiple times in a single game in EU3 as france in the hundred years war