91 flags on a ship

unmerged(13277) · Jun 25, 2003

Found this image in a book. Thought it was quite interesting.
It’s an America ship anno 1796 (about), caring 91 flags of the world at that time.
Tried to identify a few, can you guys help me with the rest?

To see a big version look here

So I started numbering them, making a list.

1 : US Naval Jack (Should be blue though?)
2 : The Netherlands
3 : Spanish War Ensign (1785-1927)
4 : Spanish Civil Ensign (1785-1931)
5 : Spanish Majesty naval flag (to 1785)
6 : Denmark
7 : Burgundy Cross - Spanish Naval Jack to 1785
8 : Croatian (maybe?)
9 : Polish Naval or war ensign (18th centuries)
10: Stavoren (Friesland Province), The Netherlands
11:
12:
13:
14:
15: US Naval Jack
16:
17: Free Hanseatic City of Lübeck (Germany) 1226-1937 ...or...
Ancona (Italy) 18th centuries Naval Jack – probably a mistake flag, apparently common done, as it should be red over yellow
18:
19:
20: French National flag 1792-1794
21: French Naval Jack 1790-1794
22:
23: Kingdom of Great Britain, Naval Union Flag 1606-1801
24:
25:
26:
27: Sicily naval Flag 18th/19th centuries
28: Russian Jack and fortress flag (1700-1917)
29:
30:
31: British Admirality
32:
33: British Royal Navy (?)
34: Spanish red Burgundy Cross on Dark blue (something royal I think?)
35:
36:
37: Kingdom of Sardegna (-to 1802/14)
38: Christ Knights’ Order naval flags - Bandé variant (1768-1771)
39:
40:
41:
42: British Royal Navy
43:
44:
45: Personal Standard of the Tsar (1693-1699) - though the double headed eagle should be golden and crowned.
46:
47:
48:
49:
50:
51:
52: England
53:
54: Russian flag (not sure for which purpose?)
55:
56:
57:
58:
59: Tuscan Order of Saint Stephen – according to FOTW incorrectly reported as the flag of Malta for over 200 years!
60:
61: Ireland with England in corner - never seen such one before!!
62: Possible a variants of the Dutch 'Prince' flag or Dutch Jakarta (Netherlands Indies)
63:
64: US Naval Jack (Should be blue though?)
65: Genoa, Saint George cross (-to 1805)
66: British Royal Navy (?)
67: Sweden
68: 8-split Dutch 'Prince' flag
69:
70:
71: Electorate of Brandenburg 1356-1701
72: US Coat of arms
73: US vimple
74:
75:
76:
77: Scottish Red Ensign (17th and early 18th centuries)
78: Austrian Netherlands (1713-1786)
79:
80:
81: Irelands St. Patrick cross
82:
83:
84:
85: Possible candidates: Brabant (Most likely I think), Bremen & Croatian
86:
87:
88: Bremen - possible mistake flag
89:
90:
91: United States (1795-1818)

Any help would be nice

Classique · Jun 26, 2003

Some possibilities:

71 Prussia
85 Croatia
88 Bremen

Maybe, possibly?

Mjuice · Jun 26, 2003

78 - Austrian Netherlands maybe

unmerged(7924) · Jun 27, 2003

45 - Russia. Looks like it atleast...

unmerged(13277) · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by Classique
Some possibilities:

71 Prussia
85 Croatia
88 Bremen

Maybe, possibly?

88) I think you are right, it’s Bremen. Though FOTW list it as a possible mistake flag

85) Difficult one. It could also be Bremen in fact! I’m much more entitled to pick 7 for Croatian. Not sure about 85

71) Prussia was a good tip! I’m almost certain now that this is ‘Kurfürstentum Brandenburg’ - Electorate of Brandenburg 1356-1701.
According to FOTW it’s reported used 1695, 1700 and 1716.
I guess ca 1796 too, as this painting shows.

unmerged(13277) · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by Mjuice
78 - Austrian Netherlands maybe

Yes!!, Good find!
78) Austrian Netherlands (1713-1786)

unmerged(13277) · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by Mormegil
45 - Russia. Looks like it atleast...

45) Personal Standard of the Tsar in Moscow (1693-1699) - though the double headed eagle should be golden and crowned.

Khephren · Jun 27, 2003

At the library w/my 7 year old today and started reading an interesting book on flags. There was a Dutch Chart circa 1700 of all known flags. Wish I had brought it home.

Anyhow the ones I remember are...

9. Pologne , which I believe is French for Poland, not sure though
85. Brabant
49. Malta
10. Moors?? I'm not fluent in dutch, but I'm sure that's what it said
59. Malta ( There were two different flags for Malta?? Can't remember what the difference was)
80. Looks like pre Union England
44. From the dutch, I gathered it was a Thai state
40. In Modern times this the US version of a 3-star admiral flag, not sure if it held back then
57. Looks vaguely like Venice
65. Could very well be Genoa
62. I believe this is Algiers
53. Tunisia??
17. Lubeck
56. Marseilles, Calais?? I know it's a french city
27. Sicily

Napoleon XIV · Jun 28, 2003

is 77 something Scottish?

unmerged(7924) · Jun 30, 2003

85 - The Croatian CoA, an old flag, used in the EU2 era.

unmerged(7924) · Jun 30, 2003

Originally posted by Napoleon XIV
is 77 something Scottish?

Must be. I usually se those flag with the British and not Scottish emblem.
Probably the Scottish Naval Jack or something.

Attila Gabor · Jul 1, 2003

60 = Hungarian Navy (Commercial)

I just found on the web several Hungarian sites that deals with the history of Hungarian Commercial Ships from pre WWI era (which was separate from the Austro-Hungarian Navy).

Attila Gabor · Jul 1, 2003

- See above -

My only concern is that the Hungarian Navy (what a paradox statement for a country that was raped to be landlocked) that the color should be Red - White - Green and the pic above reflects Red - White - (blueish - Green).

The shield of course a give away

I have also seen 53 used on Hungarian Naval ships in Fiume on a painting from 1876.

Classique · Jul 1, 2003

Originally posted by Attila Gabor

My only concern is that the Hungarian Navy (what a paradox statement for a country that was raped to be landlocked) that the color should be Red - White - Green and the pic above reflects Red - White - (blueish - Green).

Why was green added as a national color after the red-white of the early dynasties?

unmerged(13277) · Jul 2, 2003

Originally posted by Khephren
At the library w/my 7 year old today and started reading an interesting book on flags. There was a Dutch Chart circa 1700 of all known flags. Wish I had brought it home.

Anyhow the ones I remember are...

9. Pologne , which I believe is French for Poland, not sure though
85. Brabant
49. Malta
10. Moors?? I'm not fluent in dutch, but I'm sure that's what it said
59. Malta ( There were two different flags for Malta?? Can't remember what the difference was)
80. Looks like pre Union England
44. From the dutch, I gathered it was a Thai state
40. In Modern times this the US version of a 3-star admiral flag, not sure if it held back then
57. Looks vaguely like Venice
65. Could very well be Genoa
62. I believe this is Algiers
53. Tunisia??
17. Lubeck
56. Marseilles, Calais?? I know it's a french city
27. Sicily

Great! Thx

9) Polish Naval or war ensign (18th centuries)

85) Yep that’s another candidate, Seams like many places has this flag.

59) Tuscan Order of Saint Stephen – this is according to FOTW incorrectly reported as the flag of Malta in several flags books during the last 200 years!

65) Genoa, Saint George cross (-to 1805)

53) ? - not sure, I don’t think so?

27) Sicily naval Flag 18th/19th centuries

17) Free Hanseatic City of Lübeck (Germany) 1226-1937 … or …
Ancona (Italy) 18th centuries Naval Jack – probably a mistake flag, apparently common done, as it should be red over yellow

Can’t confirm
49) 10) 80) 44) 62) 56) 40) 57)

unmerged(13277) · Jul 2, 2003

Originally posted by Napoleon XIV
is 77 something Scottish?

Yep

77) Scottish Red Ensign (17th and early 18th centuries)

unmerged(13277) · Jul 2, 2003

Originally posted by Attila Gabor
60 = Hungarian Navy (Commercial)

I just found on the web several Hungarian sites that deals with the history of Hungarian Commercial Ships from pre WWI era (which was separate from the Austro-Hungarian Navy).

I cant confirm this, can you post a link?

unmerged(13277) · Jul 2, 2003

Originally posted by Mormegil
85 - The Croatian CoA, an old flag, used in the EU2 era.

There are many candidates for this flag

I don’t think its Croatian, as i'm much more entitled to pick 8) for Croatian.
I can find no Croatian flag dating to the last 18th century looking like this.

unmerged(7924) · Jul 2, 2003

I'm sure that 28 is the Russian Naval Jack or something... I remeber seeing it somewhere... FOTW or something...

EDIT: 28, not 23

unmerged(13277) · Jul 2, 2003

Originally posted by Mormegil
I'm sure that 28 is the Russian Naval Jack or something... I remeber seeing it somewhere... FOTW or something...

EDIT: 28, not 23

Yes, that is the Russian Jack and fortress flag (1700-1917), as listed above

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