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Do you mean collapsing the East, South and West Slavic culture groups from HIP into one? No, i defintely wouldn't recommend that, it would result in very undesirable in-game behaviour where people from Novgorod would see absolutely no problem with someone from Ohrid ruling over them
My idea was to make the big slavic culture group break up in 900 when slavs got divided by setteling hungarians. Also in 900 the three new slavic cultures should break up into hip vanilla ones (except bosnian which should be divided). I think thats the best deal for history, gameplay and accuracy
Bacau should be orthodox and I still think that Barlad should be romanian/orthodox. Also what TheDovakhiin said.https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?members/thedovahkiin97.1306626/
In 900 the cultural setup should shift into this:
austria becoming german, szepes moravian and the red ones serbian. others croatian/bulgarian. So why arent branicevo, belgrade and syrmia bulgarian like in vanilla hip? Because those areas were controlled but not populated by bulgarians and later given back to serbs. The timočani serbs of barnicevo/niš are even mentioned in many sources. Why is omiš/hvar croatian? Because it was always up to this day chakavian croatian and the neretljani gusars are of croatian national history. Where is the bosnian culture? There was none. Its was croatian and serbian. Later they isolated themselves with the bosnian state and its people embracing the bogumilist faith. But in my eyes even then there was no bosnian cultural difference. It came first with the ottoman invasion and croatians/serbs in this area embracing the sunni faith and turkish way of living.
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Also croatians should use the "gussars" cultural units like every other south slavs/albanians. There was no heavy infantry. Only light gussars and light infantrists
austria becoming german, szepes moravian and the red ones serbian. others croatian/bulgarian. So why arent branicevo, belgrade and syrmia bulgarian like in vanilla hip? Because those areas were controlled but not populated by bulgarians and later given back to serbs. The timočani serbs of barnicevo/niš are even mentioned in many sources. Why is omiš/hvar croatian? Because it was always up to this day chakavian croatian and the neretljani gusars are of croatian national history. Where is the bosnian culture? There was none. Its was croatian and serbian. Later they isolated themselves with the bosnian state and its people embracing the bogumilist faith. But in my eyes even then there was no bosnian cultural difference. It came first with the ottoman invasion and croatians/serbs in this area embracing the sunni faith and turkish way of living.
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Also croatians should use the "gussars" cultural units like every other south slavs/albanians. There was no heavy infantry. Only light gussars and light infantrists
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I think thats because the bolohoveni romanians are believed to be tengrists.
And Barlad is indeed a hard question im unable to answer.
What do you guys think of removing the bolghar provinces of karvuna and making the south slav provinces of turnu, preslav, karvuna and everything above tengrist?
Any opinions on making zemplen russian in 900? The uzghorod area was always russian and white croats were believed to be a part of the rus...
So this should be a completed Pannonia, Bohemia, Moravia.
@EldarPanic
Those counties haven't been touched. I will make them Orthodox when I do those areas.
@TheDovahkiin97
900 is out of the scope of this mod. Keep notes though. I might have to expand it.
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@EldarPanic
Those counties haven't been touched. I will make them Orthodox when I do those areas.
@TheDovahkiin97
900 is out of the scope of this mod. Keep notes though. I might have to expand it.
Hip devs interested in discussing and scripting this?
So why is bach avar again?
And why are there bulgarian provinces?
I don't know about Bach, but I'll fix it. The Bulgarian provinces are going to be changed when I get to those areas. This was just a screenshot for The Pannonian Basin, Bohemia, and Moravia. I'm doing Bulgaria, and rest of the Balkans now.
People think they were pagans but slavic pagans not tengri since tengriism is kinda a steppe people religion.
Ok then I'll wait for you to get there.
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You are right i just looked it up the were indeed slavic pagans speaking romanian.
Bacs keeps switching to Avar because the game is generating an Avar nomadic chief to control that province. When it does the province swaps to Avar. Does anyone a) know how to stop the game from generating that character and b) know how to set a character's primary settlement?
Were the Avars Tengri?
Were the Avars Tengri?
If i remember correctly it is related to holding too much land as a Nomad liege. I'm pretty sure it will auto-generate clans for you.
ETA: I'm not sure though. It's been a while since i last dealt with the Nomads. I'll inquire with Ese for you, he's done work on the steppes regularly, so he'll be of more help to you.
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It's not that. In the province file it's set to proto_south_slavic and slavic_pagan and it loads avar and tengri_pagan when the game starts. I have no idea why.
What I meant to ask was: Was the Avar area in game in 769 majority Tengri? It's probably still yes, but I was just curious as to how much the Slavic population would have affected the religion of the area.
This looks way too ambitious to be true.
Are you planning to correctly include all the cultural melting pots? If so what are they?
Are you planning to correctly include all the cultural melting pots? If so what are they?
Yeah. The melting pots shouldn't be too hard, but I can always roll back to the regular vanilla cultures if I need. To tell you the truth, they will be a lot easier than the tedious history editing.