67 Years Ago

[Fernando Torres]

67 years ago, on an 11th of May similar to ours, the Allied Armies initiated Operation Diadem and put the final nail in the coffin of the collapsing Italian Fascist State.
The success of the operation gave the Allies enough momentum to breakthrough several hundred of kilometers, liberating Rome along the way.
The offensive was cut short by the Gothic Line, and the Italian Front became a stalemate for nearly one year...

The Italian Theater is arguably one of the most often forgotten fronts of WW2, however most renowned historians agree that without the Invasion of Italy and the later Southern France campaign, Overlord would have been IMPOSSIBLE.

We are proud to announce a new DH Battlescenario: The Fall of the Eagle


The Battlescenario has been designed to precisely depict the unique tactical situation of both sides of the frontlines!
Help the Allies keep momentum and outmaneuver the Axis forces, never letting them enough time to set significant defenses.
OR Join Kesselring in his brave attempt to stall permanently the Allies, to protect the Fatherland, and perhaps even succeed the impossible: Push them back to the boats from where they came from!

Lead your men as they push through the treacherous Appenine mountains, as they assault defence lines of bunkers, barbwire and minefields, as they face insurmountable odds!
Lead them, as they live their DARKEST HOUR!



Made by fellow forum users:
HAX -
JRHINDO - Jeremy Hayat

Release date TBA

 

[Limith]

Mhmmmm...sounds interesting.

 

[chepaeff]

New detailed map?

 

[Tormentor]

Great!

 

[clone1337]

Release Date TBA?
I hope it is not similar to " when it's done " .
But i'm looking forward to it.

 

[Aine]

Release Date TBA?
I hope it is not similar to " when it's done " .
But i'm looking forward to it.

TBA=To Be Announced

Sounds great! Will this new scenario be added in a future patch?

 

[JRHINDO]

 

[nigo]

looks like will have a new map for Italy

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?396075-Yugoslav-Wars





dont forget the Brazilian expedicionary forces in Itay

 

[JRHINDO]

Wait wait wait, no new map for this battlescenario. Dont start to believe that a new map is created for everything DH related!

 

[BlaneckW]

But could they really be considered fascist in the same way at that point? Though certainly a dictatorship, the industrial sector was also excluded, so that it might be considered more of a dictatorship simply run by the fascist ministers, but perhaps not as heavily influenced by monarchical and capitalist influences. But then I know little about the subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Republic
"During the existence of the Italian Social Republic, Mussolini, whose government had banned trade unions and strikes, began to make increasingly populist appeals to the working class. He claimed to regret many of the decisions made earlier in supporting the interests of big business. He promised a new beginning if the Italian people would be willing to grant him a second chance. Mussolini claimed that he had never totally abandoned his left-wing influences, insisting he had attempted to nationalize property in 1939–1940 but had been forced to delay such action for tactical reasons related to the war.[8] With the removal of the monarchy, Mussolini claimed the full ideology of Fascism could be pursued, and reversed over twenty years of Fascist support of private property and relative economic independence by ordering the nationalization of all companies with over 100 employees.[9] Mussolini even reached out to communist Nicola Bombacci, a former student of Vladimir Lenin to help him in spreading the image that Fascism was a progressive movement.[9] The economic policy of RSI was the "Socialization". In practice, little resulted from the socialization of the economy. Unions didn't exert real control of their managers and took no part in state planning. The Italian industrial sector was excluded from the new reforms by the Germans and Italian industrialists were opposed to the changes in any case. The Italian labor force (large parts of which had remained socialist or communist despite fascist rule) regarded socialization as a sham and responded with a massive strike on March 1, 1944."

 

[JRHINDO]

Italy proper ousted Mussolini in 1943 when the Allies landed in south Italy, and they went back to a constitutional monarchy, so no they are not Fascist anymore. The ISR was created by Hitler some time after the events above and Mussolini was installed as its HoS-HoG, yes those are the Fascists.

 

[Davisx3m]

Cool!

 

[Zechariah Zevi]

But could they really be considered fascist in the same way at that point? Though certainly a dictatorship, the industrial sector was also excluded, so that it might be considered more of a dictatorship simply run by the fascist ministers, but perhaps not as heavily influenced by monarchical and capitalist influences. But then I know little about the subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Republic
"During the existence of the Italian Social Republic, Mussolini, whose government had banned trade unions and strikes, began to make increasingly populist appeals to the working class. He claimed to regret many of the decisions made earlier in supporting the interests of big business. He promised a new beginning if the Italian people would be willing to grant him a second chance. Mussolini claimed that he had never totally abandoned his left-wing influences, insisting he had attempted to nationalize property in 1939–1940 but had been forced to delay such action for tactical reasons related to the war.[8] With the removal of the monarchy, Mussolini claimed the full ideology of Fascism could be pursued, and reversed over twenty years of Fascist support of private property and relative economic independence by ordering the nationalization of all companies with over 100 employees.[9] Mussolini even reached out to communist Nicola Bombacci, a former student of Vladimir Lenin to help him in spreading the image that Fascism was a progressive movement.[9] The economic policy of RSI was the "Socialization". In practice, little resulted from the socialization of the economy. Unions didn't exert real control of their managers and took no part in state planning. The Italian industrial sector was excluded from the new reforms by the Germans and Italian industrialists were opposed to the changes in any case. The Italian labor force (large parts of which had remained socialist or communist despite fascist rule) regarded socialization as a sham and responded with a massive strike on March 1, 1944."

I assume he was talking about ideological rather than "actual" fascism (whatever that may be). What "actual" fascism means is a highly debated issue - Mann defines it as nation-statism pursued through paramilitary means, but that's not a relevant definition in a time of war.

 

[BlaneckW]

I assume he was talking about ideological rather than "actual" fascism (whatever that may be). What "actual" fascism means is a highly debated issue - Mann defines it as nation-statism pursued through paramilitary means, but that's not a relevant definition in a time of war.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. It may have been run by the same people (or whoever had got out from Italy), but they changed the way they presented their ideology and some it's content, as well as their policies. Certainly it still had nationalism, but so did the Soviet Union during the Sacred War.

 

[Zechariah Zevi]

The ideology had already changed enormously from its inception and indeed its rise to power to 1939. I don't think we can seriously dispute the use of the term "fascist" as a useful label to refer to their explicit political aims here...

 

[T.j. Arnold]

Hopefully this improves Italy, they are pretty much a pushover at this point...

 

[BlaneckW]

The ideology had already changed enormously from its inception and indeed its rise to power to 1939. I don't think we can seriously dispute the use of the term "fascist" as a useful label to refer to their explicit political aims here...

The term fascist no, that's a term, or their aims, but would Italy still have the same position on the sliders?

 

[chepaeff]

Wait wait wait, no new map for this battlescenario. Dont start to believe that a new map is created for everything DH related!

Playing teh battlescenarios on standard map sucks. Not that much provinces for proper battles

 

[Azzinoth104]

Playing teh battlescenarios on standard map sucks. Not that much provinces for proper battles

+1

 

[JRHINDO]

The term fascist no, that's a term, or their aims, but would Italy still have the same position on the sliders?

ISR would be Nazi for HoI's system.

Playing teh battlescenarios on standard map sucks. Not that much provinces for proper battles

Well if you can make a full dedicated map from Tunisia to Lyon-Munich, plz help us.