With some research file editing my germany will have LOTS of research slots available at start
Unless of course if Paradox made the wrong decision to hard code that limit.....
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With some research file editing my germany will have LOTS of research slots available at start
Unless of course if Paradox made the wrong decision to hard code that limit.....
I have thought it was a little peculiar that Germany seems to get it's 5th research slot relatively late, considering one of the comments podcat made in the dev diary about Japan, regarding why Japan gets its research slot so early.
I would have expected Germany to get the 5th research slot early for the same reason.
I would have expected Germany to get the 5th research slot early for the same reason.
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Lets compare how fast can get all nations to the 5th research slot ( if all requierment are fullfilled ):
Italy: 4 => 280 days
France: 4 => 280 days
USA: 5 => 350 days
Germany: 6 => 420 days
Japan: 3 => 210 days
UK: 4 => 280 days
Minor: 6 => 420 days for Slot 4 EDIT: 7 => 470 days for slot 5
SU: 5 => 350 days
One the first look it looks like Germany is on the disatvantage on research.
BUT you have also consider which starting techs each nations have and also research boni/mali. EDIT: Also other sometimes other national foci are more importent. For example as france u may remove the penalty on research of land doctrine.
For example starts GER with +1 more land (worth 300 days)/air doctrine then uk and also some of the plans and ships are already at 1936 tech, but uk has first eletronic tech ( 2% research bonus and worth 100 days) and radar (worth 150 days). GER has a 5% reserach bonus and UK 12% (inc. elecronic tech).
Unfortunally i can not spot all starting techs from WWW 1 (also it is an old build which can be different now), so calcutation if research is balanced is no very easy.
Italy: 4 => 280 days
France: 4 => 280 days
USA: 5 => 350 days
Germany: 6 => 420 days
Japan: 3 => 210 days
UK: 4 => 280 days
Minor: 6 => 420 days for Slot 4 EDIT: 7 => 470 days for slot 5
SU: 5 => 350 days
One the first look it looks like Germany is on the disatvantage on research.
BUT you have also consider which starting techs each nations have and also research boni/mali. EDIT: Also other sometimes other national foci are more importent. For example as france u may remove the penalty on research of land doctrine.
For example starts GER with +1 more land (worth 300 days)/air doctrine then uk and also some of the plans and ships are already at 1936 tech, but uk has first eletronic tech ( 2% research bonus and worth 100 days) and radar (worth 150 days). GER has a 5% reserach bonus and UK 12% (inc. elecronic tech).
Unfortunally i can not spot all starting techs from WWW 1 (also it is an old build which can be different now), so calcutation if research is balanced is no very easy.
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In WWW Finland started with only three slots. So that would only take them to four after 420 days. There is a second extra slot (to go to 5 slots in total for Finland), but that was seen to require you to have 50 factories first. So although it appears to be possible after 490 days, most minors may never be able to take that focus.
So it is wrong to suggest that countries like Finland can compete with the majors in terms of research. Their maximum feasible is only four slots, and by the time they get the fourth most majors could already be on five. Including Germany.
This has to be one of the better and more informative first posts on the forum ever, cheers for sharing and putting that together
. As you say, impossible to tell how appropriate it is until we've seen how the NFs, starting techs, national spirits, ministers and whatever else I've forgotten work together.
Is it 420 days for a minor to get a fourth slot using the new tree posted in Dev Diary 50? It looks like more with that line linking to the left half of the tree.
Anyway watching the Hungary WWW getting to five slots might only be 470 days (why is that only 50 more days then the fourth slot rather then 70?) but Daniel had to conquer both Austria and Czechoslovakia built maybe one or two Military factories and was still just short of the 50 factories needed for a fifth slot.
I dont think research slots are that big of a deal, especially for the minors. The real cap on a nations potential is in the IC they have and lets face it: Hungary and Finland so far have dwarfed the capabilities of any major.
Having the ability to make the newest tanks, planes, ships and weapons is nice, but if you have no ic and resources to actually build the stuff...
Having the ability to make the newest tanks, planes, ships and weapons is nice, but if you have no ic and resources to actually build the stuff...
It is not only about IC, the key player is resources, many minors produce only a single resource and is dependent on import or conquest to get more resources while majors often have all resources which is a huge advantage.
That minor could produce high tech equipment is realistic because that did happen in real life.
That minor could produce high tech equipment is realistic because that did happen in real life.
I think its historical. Didn't Hitler stop all advance technology production for a while because he thought the war would be over in 1943?
I even read somewhere (I'm old and my memory cant recall where) that the Me262 could have entered mass production in late '42 or early '43 but Hitler postponed it.
I don`t really see a problem. Germany did lag on quite a bit of techs, and having the extra research slot 140 days later than fastest is hardly any indication of balance problem, considering Germany would start a war in 1939, usually.
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the 5th slot is right below the 4th research slot, so how can you said it will take alot longer to get the 5th??
Because you can't see that it requires having 50 factories. Hungary in WWW started with 16 factories and had to take over two countries, in a manner and at a speed which I assume will become near impossible in the final game, and build factories to get to 47 factories.
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good call, i didnt pick that up the first time i watched it.... but watching in slowmo i was able to pause and see