Yeah, the provisions for range estimation could be abstracted to slightly better accuracy. Also the German gun sights have more FoV for their zoom and more zoom IIRC.
3rd Armored Division balance thread
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Yeah, the provisions for range estimation could be abstracted to slightly better accuracy. Also the German gun sights have more FoV for their zoom and more zoom IIRC.
I can say 7 out of 10 games is the Scots pushing against the SS division when in theory it should be other way round. An armored combat group should be the one taking the first steps but instead I always see the Allies pushing hard against the Axis, and this is not just in Phase A and B. Most of the times I see the SS division camping at the end of the map with Panthers and Jagd.
If you want to argue that the SS doesn't push because of fear of AT guns then why is there an option to throw smoke with artillery? There are several alternatives to neutralize AT guns but 99% of the times is charging head on with 3 tanks and getting 2 knocked out in exchange of an AT gun, but whatever, blame the AT gun accuracy...
If you want to argue that the SS doesn't push because of fear of AT guns then why is there an option to throw smoke with artillery? There are several alternatives to neutralize AT guns but 99% of the times is charging head on with 3 tanks and getting 2 knocked out in exchange of an AT gun, but whatever, blame the AT gun accuracy...
Tried a few games yesterday adopting my tactics more to the 3rd using very few infantry and more planes, artillery etc and early 2xAT+2xAA. It definately went better and its more fun when you win cause you can exploit faster but still kind of a piece of work compared to Scots.
I think what makes Scots so OP is mostly the cheap experienced infantry that can wipe the floor with the infantry shield/scouts of other Divs and be an awesome shield themselves. Sure the Churchills and 17pdrs help but I don't think they are the root of the problem as they can be dealt with. Luft does not have what the Scots have Ersatztruppen are great for defense but they can't really help you push much.
I think what makes Scots so OP is mostly the cheap experienced infantry that can wipe the floor with the infantry shield/scouts of other Divs and be an awesome shield themselves. Sure the Churchills and 17pdrs help but I don't think they are the root of the problem as they can be dealt with. Luft does not have what the Scots have Ersatztruppen are great for defense but they can't really help you push much.
I would like to add that the number of m3's the unit can push at the A phase seems a little bit too much. Tried a couple of scenarios to see how balance plays out. Axis divs especially the 91st FJ have a hard time countering the initial M3 rush. Normally speaking FJ should have A superiority and consolidate a lot of gains but it can quickly find it self losing most of the map at the initial phase due to how damaging and fast those halftracks are.
Note these are just some of my experiences thought I would put them down here.
Note these are just some of my experiences thought I would put them down here.
Any initial Arm. Rifles span comes at great cost. If you want to have a balanced start with a couple scouts, a Stuart, an AT gun, and an AA gun, and a mortar, you can actually only afford three Arm. Rifles units. If you see a ton of M3 HT spam you can probably deal with them with your Pz 35s or a Bf 109 because they're probably missing something important.
you have 6 35point pak36 in you deck so why invest into tanks and aircraft to deal with halftracks.
Well I meant it like you could even deal with them with these, because a Arm. Rifle spam start is going to be so thin in support.
I think Rifle Spam became obsolete in 1915 so I guess working as intended
edit: no argument you said the same anyway I usually start with AA in any deck in initial setup or first points tick those too help with HTs
the panther took about an hour to aim, all the shermans should have a higher rate of fire then it. ive seen you all over the forum fighting tooth and nail campaigning against any form of sherman buff lol but fact remains they are under performing come late game (outside of the jumbo that seemingly cant kill or be killed) so if were going with 100% muh realism the shermans should be should be a 3rd of the price of a panther and half that of the panzer 4.
How many Stuarts/M8 can and should you start with? I'm a noob and so far I try to rush with two stuarts and make another push with the M8 to halt the vehicle column of the enemy. Sometimes it works and the stuarts do massive damage, but often I loose the stuarts and or the M8 early and then I'm severely lacking in units and struggle with the low supply in phase A and get pushed back.
Would everyone agree, that this is the way to go, more or less? I need a rule of thumb for my start, until I know the game better.
Would everyone agree, that this is the way to go, more or less? I need a rule of thumb for my start, until I know the game better.
Mortar at least is mandatory to make sure 91. LL's 37s can't shut down your light tanks and HTs.
I always use Stuarts but I don't use that many of them, so I find it's better to get the card of command Stuarts for the extra vet since they cost the same.
I kind of feel like some limited Engineers or LMG Rifles in Phase A would be nice for the 3AD.
My standard 3AD opening is 2 regular stuarts and a command stuart along with a 57mm AT gun to make scary noises in the general direction of any Fireflies that might pop up, since they never actually manage to hit the damn thing. Supporting forces depends on map layout and the exact zone i'll be going for, but the 3 stuarts opening has been working just fine, winning nearly every single engagement i've been in so far.
I use an M8 (To catch up with truck columns/reconnaissance in Kubel and wreck them), one Cmd Stuart (Never misses) and one AT gun with M3HT (To kill Firefly, buffed from cmd stuart. Use the transport to kill infantry or move the gun).
Then one or two Arm rifle and mortar.
I find a single AA piece not enough to do anything to aircraft, i rely on my friend/ally planes.
Then one or two Arm rifle and mortar.
I find a single AA piece not enough to do anything to aircraft, i rely on my friend/ally planes.
Just a card of about 4x Armored LMG Rifles would add so much to the Phase A 3rd AD lineup.
The 3rd ID during the Normandy Campaign should have M10s as they had 2 Anti-Tank Battalions(703rd and 803rd). If you really want to push what AT equipment they have, you could throw in an M36 Jackson in the mix as the 703rd started getting them in Sept' 44. Put two separate cards of 1 unit in Phase C.
Jackson is definitely OOTF. I'm not sure of the endpoint for the game's timeframe, but I think it ends prior to the liberation of Paris. The end of the Normandy campaign can generally be seen as the Allied breakout and the closure of the Falaise Gap, so that MIGHT be the endpoint. September is definitely way out there. The Jackson would fit a Market Garden/Bastogne/Germany '45 expansion.
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it's a shame that the game stop at liberation of paris. Germany's tech more or less plateau by late 1944 while the Western allies were getting their fancy tech out in 1945.
As it is, the german already got their king tiger, and even if you advance the game by one year they would just have jagdtiger, jagdpanther, and maybe the panther 2.
By comparison, the Western allies would be fielding comet, e8, pershing, jackson, and maybe the centurion/black prince. It's a noticeable jump in firepower.
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Since the game fails to model any of the disadvantages of the german wunderwaffe i doubt the allies will have any way of dealing with the Tiger II and the Jagdpanther, since tanks get omniscience when it comes to facing and enemy spotting; Flanking is basically impossible and the return fire is hilariously and unrealistically fast. Not to mention the horrendously agile turning for tanks that never had neutral steering capability. Unless the timeline is extended far enough for the allies to get 90mm guns i'm afraid it will just become yet another ww2 game where Germans are objectively superior to any other faction in the game and impossible to beat if played by a competent player.