32 bit or 64 bit?

[ruzen]

There we go. It turns out the 64-bit discussion was a cover-up for China DLC desire. It still amaze me that people want the whole map in CK2. Let's look at the other playstyles who are represented.

Merchant republics: Gold sink gameplay and rushing to new provinces for trade post.
Horse lords: Raiding feels good but everything else doesn't.
Vikings: Everything about them is good.
India: Maybe 20% of the players ever started a game there but never finished.
Muslims: Decadence system never felt right.

Even today the further you go east to more it gets lackluster just imagine if this game has gone the far east!

Games where you need a world map.
EU: Colonization times.
Vicky: Imperialism.
HOI: World war 2.

In a game like medieval times where there are no world affairs going on you don't have to represent the whole world map. Of course, I would like another Sengoku or Romance of the Three kingdoms type game but I don't need to know what's going on in old Europe while I'm on China or vise versa.

I don't think it was a technical reason. It's just common sense.

 

[Zsrai]

Cant be updated to make yse of multiple cires and ram with the 64 update? Its a pity to have to wait a ckiii to have asia as it wpuld take 5 years to reach full dlc as a conplete game .

It... does make use of multiple cores already, just like I said. If they want more cores to be used in parallel, it's going to take a completely new engine from what I understand (I am NOT a coder by any stretch of the imagination) and not just engine tweaks and updates like what happen with new game releases (all recent PDS games are on Clausewitz but they are all technically different versions AFAIK).

More RAM usage will happen with a 64bit update, but the effect that will have on the game will likely be pretty minimal... but yeah it would help some I'd guess.

 

[killerbee256]

Well a lot of people against china brought as main reason that their systems woudl lag, now with a 64 bit change they would have no issues as CKII would use all ram.

They'll find a new reason, don't you worry.

 

[Castimirr]

They'll find a new reason, don't you worry.

Because RAM doesn't seem to be the main bottleneck, as people have explained ad nauseam?

 

[killerbee256]

Because RAM doesn't seem to be the main bottleneck, as people have explained ad nauseam?

Sorry I've played mods that add the rest of asia and they run okay. You folk make it sound as if that should be impossible, yet it's clearly not.

 

[Castimirr]

Sorry I've played mods that add the rest of asia and they run okay. You folk make it sound as if that should be impossible, yet it's clearly not.

I don't care if they add the rest of Asia. I'm not really interested but I'm not opposed for those that want it. That mods are doing it doesn't change anything about what I was saying.

Adding more RAM is not going to reduce the load on to the processors caused by evaluating character events and decisions, especially ones that need to evaluate between characters. Your comment and the one you replied to implied that memory is the only/main thing hindering it and that those who are opposed to it would have to find some new excuse. I don't care about convincing them not to do a map expansion, I'm objecting because the dismissal you quoted and your reply to it are incorrect on a technical level. More memory would be helpful, but it probably isn't sufficient on its own.

A number of people already have problems with the game lagging to death in the mid-to-late game. Your computer might not have issues, which is why those mods are fine for you. Adding a larger map with more courts will make that lag worse and trigger it to happen earlier, especially since the map expansion would (based on previous ones) be part of a patch, while the DLC would unlock playing there. That means "turn off or don't buy the DLC" isn't really an option at that point.

It may be that the game will be able to handle it with the right optimizations, they also might raise the minimum requirements, though you risk disabling a game for people that already own it. (If it goes to 64-bit they will have to at least adjust them I suspect, so that might be the best time to do it.) However, those are significant issues and decisions, and dismissing them as excuses is incredibly inaccurate.

 

[Zsrai]

Sorry I've played mods that add the rest of asia and they run okay. You folk make it sound as if that should be impossible, yet it's clearly not.

That's nice. Now implement it from a development standpoint as a professional game development studio, holding it to a professional standard with angry fans yelling at you about anything that doesn't work "properly" or even without any game speed loss. A mod isn't held to nearly the same standard, so it's ok if it doesn't do the above and causes people to lag some.