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Justin Pace

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Does the martial score actually affect combat? It seems like it's pure numbers that win battles, even when my general has twice the martial score of the enemy and only 20% less troops.

Numbers are the main factor, plain and simple. You wont be able to recreate a Battle of Crecy, where you're outnumbered 6-1 (if in fact those numbers are correct). You generally don't defeat armies twice the size of yours, as the AI is also pretty good about appointing it's own generals. Martial doesn't really matter for a field general. It gives a better a change of doing the right tactic in battle, so you're more likely to do a "massive longbow volley" with a 30 martial than 15. However, it's traits that really matter, and it's here that martial matters, as 20% percent defense bonus, factored into a martial of 20, gives something like 40% defense bonus. A general with a martial of 30 who is craven is worth less than a general with 20 and is brave. Really the only the you thing you want your highest martial character to do is be a Martial, and if he's a good general as well, perfect.
If I'm going into battle, I tend to take the highest martial skill that has the unyielding trait or other defensive traits, so right now a wing of my army has general with a martial of 23 with unyielding and patient, leaving my level 28 martial Martial with no traits at home to study technology. Of note, the army is led by my bastard son who has martial of 29, with unyielding, patient and brave.
 

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What? is there something wrong about wanting to leave this world in the passionate embrace of the lover you hold most dear? I dare say that no matter your sexuality that to have your last sight be the face of one so cherished is the epitome of life itself. On that I feel we can all agree

Just like old Nelson Rockefeller: coming and going at the same time.
 

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I think I once had managed to get a martial with over 30 skill level naturally with no mods or modifiers. I wished I'd screenshot that.
 

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I think I once had managed to get a martial with over 30 skill level naturally with no mods or modifiers. I wished I'd screenshot that.

If you have traits like genius and ambitious it will help a lot. Also, having an excellent education like brilliant strategist helps to gain a very high martial score.

I once had a duchess of Brittany (and more than half of Ireland) whose diplomacy was 30. Her husband in a matrilinear marriage was a bastard son of William the Conqueror. After William´s death there was a civil war in England and ultimately, her husband was the next King of England.
 

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I once had a duchess of Brittany (and more than half of Ireland) whose diplomacy was 30. Her husband in a matrilinear marriage was a bastard son of William the Conqueror. After William´s death there was a civil war in England and ultimately, her husband was the next King of England.
That's nothing, i have a current character, King Hakim "The fat" Usurper of Abyssinia, Usurper of Egyptus, Usurper of Africanous, and king ever after! started out as lowly duke Hakim the not so yet fat. He was raised from day one to represent the duchy of Axum as it's chief most of diplomats and was not the first chooice of king, but king he became! The shattered muslim realm he now rules has flocked to the Miaphysite faith they once mocked. He was the younger, yet more genius twin of the true heir but we don't really talk about him as he died mysteriously and shamefully to an assassins crossbow. Who knew there was a grassy knoll in Ethiopia? with level 30 diplo he was quite a formidable adversary, and pictures i can indeed provide. :though i'll need to take one of the unified realm.
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small side note, seems like he met his ten year goal to simply survive a fatimid invasion hu?