30% Fascism requirement for joining Axis

[sekelsenmat]

The tooltip says there is such a requirement, but a lot of people report joining the Axis for example as Communist Netherlands. It works by not asking to join, but instead Germany invites you if you have a common war? Even if you are neutral or democratic?

I was hoping to play as neutral or democratic Netherlands and join the Axis, but I guess it might be hard to get into a war with the allies before Germany dows me.

 

[squid_hills]

If you are in a defensive war with the same nation (ie, Germany attacks you while it is already at war with the Allies) you can be invited into a faction, regardless of the politics of the faction or your government. If the Germany attacks fascist Turkey while at war with the UK, fascist Turkey will get an invite to the Allies (they will also get kicked out as soon as the war ends most likely).

If you are in an aggressive war with the same nation a fascist nation is at war with, you can sometimes get an invite regardless of your politics. If neutral Iran declares on the USSR, they can get an invite into the Axis. I think it may work the same for communist nations, but I haven't tested it.

If you are in an aggressive war with the same nation as a democratic faction, but aren't democratic yourself, you will get an offer of a non-aggression pact instead. If monarchist Germany declares on Italy while the Allies are already at war with Mussolini, the UK will offer Kaiser Bill a nonaggression pact, but won't provide a faction invite.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

It doesn't have to be defensive. From what I can tell any mutual enemy will allow all alignments aside from democratic to join each other unless the faction leader happens to hate you in particular. AI will send invite pretty fast.

I have used civil war to break free as Mengkukuo (smaller Japanese subject), then as communist rejoined Japan as a non-subject by fighting China. China and Soviets will also take almost anybody who shares a war on their side, if for some reason you want to do that. However this can also be used to do weird crap like getting AI Italy into the Chinese United Front on historical focuses last time I checked. Even a human playing Paraguay can force Italy into CUF .

 

[DukofDeth]

That 30% is also there for the Allies - you need to have 30% democracy to join the Allies, and this was during a Austro-Hungary run. At the time I was not at war with Germany, and when I was it was due to declaring war myself, so not a defensive war. That 30% requirement kept me from easioly jumping into the Allies, and was probably patched in post-release. I really have to stop trying to follow guides made for initial-release versions of a DLC - such versions are never available when I get around to trying things.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Yes but the allies are special since if you are not democratic enough (or generate world tension) they'll actually kick you from the faction.