2nd Edition?

[unmerged(538)]

Great news. AS there is a new post by Gustaf in the Announcments area the game will be released in Norway and Denmark.

Due to higher than expected sales in sweden.

It also said that a 2nd edition is planned? Will this be like the civ II gold edition and such?

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'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson

 

[KRonn]

Sales are higher than expected in Sweden - MOST EXCELLENT!

 

[Oranje]

Originally posted by Stromprophet:
Great news. AS there is a new post by Gustaf in the Announcments area the game will be released in Norway and Denmark.

Due to higher than expected sales in sweden.

It also said that a 2nd edition is planned? Will this be like the civ II gold edition and such?

I think he just meant a second print for Sweden (sold out => reprint).
If they're sensible they will put in patch 1.08 though.



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[Warspite]

yeah all this talk about eu2 and second aditions on the forum, sheesh, i havent even gotten eu yet. i can see it now, i get eu and then eagerly must await eu2 because it will be so much more awesome. oh the agony oh the pain. Europeans must love doing this to gamers hehe.

 

[unmerged(658)]

Well Warspite, usually its the Europeans waiting for US games, so this is kind of a flip from the norm

 

[Dark Knight]

Great . I just hope that Paradox can get patch 1.08 to all markets as fast as possible so new gamers aren't stuck with severe problems.

 

[Paradox Interactive]

The new version will be multilingual: Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (choose on installation). And it will include all changes up to the last patch we have released (1.07b)


Patric

 

[unmerged(13)]

Seems the Swedes have a better taste than their German counter-parts,

Sapura

 

[Syt]

Originally posted by Sapura:
Seems the Swedes have a better taste than their German counter-parts,

Sapura

Absolutely. I've seen no review so far of EU, and the store where I (finally) found the game had put it between reference and eductional software. Not too far off the mark, but sort of misleading...



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Attrition is not a strategy. Attrition is the apparent lack of strategy. (Sun Tzu)

 

[Carolus Rex]

Of course we have better taste!!

 

[unmerged(642)]

Hi rulers in christo,
you are right. It seems to be that the Germans because maybe of the lost war, don't have so much interests in strategy but in building up the structures like in the settler series, which is very sucessful in Germany. On the other hand since 4-5 years there is a trend that the most used player magizines are only thinking in age of empire. Standard strategy games beside that they don't like. In discussions I found out that they are only thinking in their points of evaluation and not really in the way we strategy fans would like to have a game. That the reason why I think its quite important to use such sides like this, to build up groups of interest and to act than may be in direction of the media folks.

Catch Gutenberg
Olando

 

[Syt]

Well, as the #1 gaming mag in Germany, PC Games, has so far ignored the game (as far as I could see) I hinted them on the game and especially the community on this forum. I hope to get an answer next week. Ususally, they test any game. They even had reviews for Talonsoft's Campaign Series, or the Steel Panthers games, but none got above 70%. They usually judge by the supposed mass taste. At best you get a hint like 'for fans of the genre it might be interesting'. Unfortunately, you don't have a computer mag here in Germany dedicated exclusively to strategy games.

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Attrition is not a strategy. Attrition is the apparent lack of strategy. (Sun Tzu)

 

[unmerged(642)]

Hi Sytass,
exact. I think the problem is that Ms Maueröder or so likes to play Ssttler series not the Talon staff. As long she is managing that there will be no big change. 2-3 years ago she starts to kick the games from Talon, SSi or Empire out. Sure there is a lot to say about the games, but by shot them down you will not get a constructive result. And how much strategic games didn't reach Germany since that. That is 'echt Käse'. Maybe we find some people, as you mentioned, to send them a 'volksbegehren'. Should start such a activity, what do you think?
Olando

 

[Syt]

Olando, as long as the gaming mags look first on sales and then at content we are in dire straits. Just check the monthly cover of PC Action (or is it PC Player?) which features a semi-nude lady. Sex sells! Actually, I don't get the normal gaming mags any more, except if they feature an original game that I want (this month PC Gamer had Holiday Island).

Strategy games are very popular. However, it's the mainstream strategy games, like RTS and trading/building games. I like those games, too. But one must also realize that serious strategy games, that have rather functional than outstanding graphics, very much detail, etc., are designed mainly for a minority among 'normal gamers'.

With the spread of PCs and more and more people buying video games, the industry focuses on the mainstream, offering easy to grasp, easy to play games. Most people want quick fun instead of reading a 250-page manual (How I love those!). There are still dedicated programmers who offer first class strategy games. Just take the wonderful work of Paradox, or Matrix who re-made Steel Panthers, Pacific War, etc., or Malfador and their Space Empire series, or Shrapnell and their wargames. It's just that they drown in a flood of C&C-, Unreal-, Quake-, putsuccessfultitlehere-clones. It's not that I wouldn't play Age of Kings or Unreal, but those are not my favourite genres. Personally, I rather check online reviews or visit Wargamer.com or Thegamers.net for good strategy games.

On a side note: It usually takes less than a year for a Talonsoft game to become a bargain here - I bought Eastern Front 2, Rising Sun, Battle of Britain, and 12 O'Clock High for 10 DEM each! The funny thing is, I hadn't seen them full priced before.

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Attrition is not a strategy. Attrition is the apparent lack of strategy. (Sun Tzu)

 

[Loke]

Yes we have a good taste, we taste good...

 

[unmerged(642)]

Hi Systass,
absolutly the same opinion. I'am looking genrelly to get every possible strategy game. Last year I bought TOAW2 in USA and payes about 140 DM or so and to days later I found in a Hortonshop the same game as a 10 DM give away. Before the game wasn't on the German market. That are the results of this media politic. But I agree with you that money rules the world and so it is on a broad range useless to engage. So for hardcore strategyfans it might be than the right way to orginize themselfs on such pages. And I think there a quite a number of us and if we can coordinate that a little bit there should be a power especially interesting for smaller software companies. Motto: we tell you what we would like and you try to match it. I hope paradox is reacting in this way.
Olando

 

[Syt]

Hi Olando,

I absolutely agree. I hadn't heard of the game Over the Reich (tactical fighter WW2 wargame), and then realized it was no longer sold. Home of the Underdogs features a download, but I didn't get it to run. Last week I found the game as a sell out for 5 DM in a store.

I guess you're aware of the site Home of the Underdogs? you can find many older wargames there. Tomorrow I'll order Fight for Fame, a game where you take the role of a European leader in 8th century. I played the shareware version, and must say it's incredible, given that it is not a game released by a major company. Check this link for more info: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9008795/dt/fff.html

And yes, you're right, hardcore strategy gamers have no real lobby in Germany. There should be done something about it. If you want to continue the discussion via e-mail, feel free to email me: johnnyreb76@web.de

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[This message has been edited by Sytass (edited 11-02-2001).]

 

[unmerged(642)]

Hi Sytass,
thanks for the tip,lets do so.
Olando

 

[unmerged(924)]

Originally posted by Sytass:
Most people want quick fun instead of reading a 250-page manual (How I love those!).

What? EU has 250-page manual?! That is great!!!

MxM

 

[Syt]

Originally posted by MxM:
What? EU has 250-page manual?! That is great!!!

MxM

Unfortunately, the EU manual is only 135 pages in Germany, and could have been done more thoroughly and explanatory. However, it provides good background information and makes for a great reference once you're familiar with the game. I don't know about other versions of the game.

I was more thinking of the manuals of Talonsoft that usually have a large historical section, and similar works.



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Attrition is not a strategy. Attrition is the apparent lack of strategy. (Sun Tzu)