27k Mongols getting no attrition in Bjarmia in wintertime?

[Simoleum]

Hello! I am very surprised, and annoyed, that an army of 27k Mongols receive 0 attrition in the far north of Russia, in the areas where there are Nenets tribes which I conquered. When I conquered the area, the attrition was so bad I lost men from just a 1k stack, going down to 500. Now a large band of Mongols roam the area wintertime, 27k strong, all the way up to the far northern province, and get 0 attrition.

I suspect this is because the Mongols get some sort of bonus to avoid attrition for their death stacks in the steppes, but this is ridiculous.

Any answers?

 

[Dakilla TM]

They're event troops, which don't suffer attrition. Mongols and Aztecs have lots of them to start with so they can conquer and pose a challenge

 

[thevmag]

Strange. When the Mongols tried to take Mongolia from me, they definitely had little skulls next to their troops.

Yep, there's one visible attrition skull. Been ages since that fight, so I can't say if it was just that one stack that suffered attrition or if every other stack was prone to it too.

 

[Sunspawn]

That one stack was probably their non-event troops, such as a horde and/or vassal levies.

 

[Jia Xu]

The Mongols spawn in Mongolia. If their event troops had attrition, there would be none left by the time they got to Bjarmia. The arrival of the Mongols is supposed to be the game's major disaster. You don't have to fight them. If you're not an emperor, you should be able to swear allegiance to them when they get a border with you. This is the choice that the Mongols' targets had to make, historically. Total destruction or subservience until a time the enemy becomes weak enough to rebel against.

If anything, I feel like the Mongols have been terribly nerfed over the past few years. People who think the Mongols are tough now, should try fighting them in the launch version of CK2, where horse archers melt 30K stacks in seconds. I beat them exactly one time in launch CK2, as a gigantic Byzantium that stretched from Italy to Russia. I had to use every levy and carefully manage stack size and attrition while the Mongols were free to attack me in any formation, from any position. Beating them with that kind of disadvantage was probably the most rewarding moment I ever had in a PDS game. It seems like most people don't want to be challenged anymore. They just want to win every battle and win every war, and then probably abandon their game when it gets boring.

 

[kmh42]

The Mongols spawn in Mongolia. If their event troops had attrition, there would be none left by the time they got to Bjarmia. The arrival of the Mongols is supposed to be the game's major disaster. You don't have to fight them. If you're not an emperor, you should be able to swear allegiance to them when they get a border with you. This is the choice that the Mongols' targets had to make, historically. Total destruction or subservience until a time the enemy becomes weak enough to rebel against.

If anything, I feel like the Mongols have been terribly nerfed over the past few years. People who think the Mongols are tough now, should try fighting them in the launch version of CK2, where horse archers melt 30K stacks in seconds. I beat them exactly one time in launch CK2, as a gigantic Byzantium that stretched from Italy to Russia. I had to use every levy and carefully manage stack size and attrition while the Mongols were free to attack me in any formation, from any position. Beating them with that kind of disadvantage was probably the most rewarding moment I ever had in a PDS game. It seems like most people don't want to be challenged anymore. They just want to win every battle and win every war, and then probably abandon their game when it gets boring.

I don't know how the Mongols were at launch but I was particular surprised that with the HL DLC they got completely broken. Since Conclave they doing fine in my games but still sad that the Il-Khanate and the Golden horde is dead too since HL.

Hello! I am very surprised, and annoyed, that an army of 27k Mongols receive 0 attrition in the far north of Russia, in the areas where there are Nenets tribes which I conquered. When I conquered the area, the attrition was so bad I lost men from just a 1k stack, going down to 500. Now a large band of Mongols roam the area wintertime, 27k strong, all the way up to the far northern province, and get 0 attrition.

I suspect this is because the Mongols get some sort of bonus to avoid attrition for their death stacks in the steppes, but this is ridiculous.

Any answers?

Like others said. Those are event troops and get no attrition.

 

[Sunspawn]

I think Pdx missed an opportunity with Nomad Succession. Having it split similar to Gavelkind, but more sensibly would've made the post-Temujin split possible.

 

[Simoleum]

I think Pdx missed an opportunity with Nomad Succession. Having it split similar to Gavelkind, but more sensibly would've made the post-Temujin split possible.

Thats another thing I thought of. I just got the rest of the expansions as I decided to give another shot at understanding CK2, and I finally did it. I was surprised the empire didnt break up after a while. But then again, most of the splitted states were in the Asian part not covered by the map, right?

 

[Sunspawn]

Thats another thing I thought of. I just got the rest of the expansions as I decided to give another shot at understanding CK2, and I finally did it. I was surprised the empire didnt break up after a while. But then again, most of the splitted states were in the Asian part not covered by the map, right?

GH, Ilk and part of the Chagatai Khanate were. And the first two disintegrated eventually due to covering too large territories.