23rd Feb DD - No news is good news

[Atlantians]

@Darkrenown

Hello all! I'm afraid I don't have much to talk about today as we're still working on the 2.5.2 patch I mentioned last week. We were hoping to have it out by now, but ran into some unexpected issues. However, on the plus side as soon as we have things working as we want, we'll be releasing it as a public beta for everyone to try out.

However, here are the current patchnotes to keep you interested:

- Can now script a revoke trigger for minor titles

What does this mean?

Does this mean I can now make a Law allowing free revokation of Baronies and Counties?

Hello all! I'm afraid I don't have much to talk about today as we're still working on the 2.5.2 patch I mentioned last week. We were hoping to have it out by now, but ran into some unexpected issues. However, on the plus side as soon as we have things working as we want, we'll be releasing it as a public beta for everyone to try out.

However, here are the current patchnotes to keep you interested:

- Increased the negative opinion for powerful vassals not being part of the council.

It is already -30; how much more does it need to be?

If the Council Power is abolished, why do powerful vassals want to be on a purely advisory council as much as if the Council has power?

 

[EviLine]

but when that happens everybody else in your religion gets a free cb on you, everybody hates your...

Do you mean is too harsh or too easy?

Of course it's too easy. Paradox just slashed every opinion modifier in half without thinking. All these -5's and -10's are easy to balance out.

Excommunication was -30 and that's not harsh enough. People often were afraid to even speak to someone who's excommunicated.

 

[Burned Coffee]

Of course it's too easy. Paradox just slashed every opinion modifier in half without thinking. All these -5's and -10's are easy to balance out.

Excommunication was -30 and that's not harsh enough. People often were afraid to even speak to someone who's excommunicated.

I see.

What about the fact that it also does -5 diplo (which also lowers opinion), grants free CB against, and imprisonment, revocation and execution without inflicting tirany.

A player in a solid empire or higher can survive it, I guess, probably because they are strong enough to set an antipope and what not. But AI's are as good as dead.

I guess -30 to -15 makes it somehow weaker, but to be excommunicated the character has already a low opinion with most other people. Gameplay wise it seems to be as effective as it should.

 

[thekaje]

No change to automatic call-to-arms for alliances or unbreakable pacts?

No longer possible to break betrothal set up as from a favor

Not sure, but isn't this taking MORE player agency away?

Rather than simply make things impossible, why not have backstabbing have consequences?

Is this performance-related so AIs don't have to constantly consider whether to backstab?

 

[centerflag982]

Presumably it's when you start to seduce someone, and then marry them. There's a similar issue where you seduce someone, make them your concubine, and then the truth comes out about your scandalous affair. Unfaithful Lecher -100.

What doesn't make sense to me is the "(unless you are married under by certain religious ceremonies)" part. What does that even mean?

 

[Atlantians]

What doesn't make sense to me is the "(unless you are married under by certain religious ceremonies)" part. What does that even mean?

That refers to Zoroastrian sister-marriages.

 

[richvh]

@Darkrenown


<re: minor title revocation>
What does this mean?

Does this mean I can now make a Law allowing free revokation of Baronies and Counties?

No. Minor titles are like court jester, keeper of the swans, master of the hunt. It means you can now script conditions to automatically revoke those titles.

 

[Jorlem]

No. Minor titles are like court jester, keeper of the swans, master of the hunt. It means you can now script conditions to automatically revoke those titles.

I read it as it being like the dismiss_trigger used for job titles, which sets conditions needed to be able to be able to fire someone from a job. That's what locks in court chaplains for Muslim characters.

I'm really hoping it works for commanders as well as other minor titles, as Divine had said that commanders work somewhat differently.

 

[PsysmicSound]

- Added special childish insults/compliments to many traits. Younger children will now use these instead of the adult ones.

I can see it now...

Hey, fatso!
Blessings upon you and your house.

 

[Enriador]

Then you need to give them power. This is why the option is there. Abolished power means you don't listen to them. You want to listen, then empower the council and get advisors.

But even an absolute ruler needs a Council, right? After all, my vassals still wants a place on it.

 

[Robert II]

So about that Flanders situation...? If I say please will that help? Or maybe if I baked a cake? Well that's too bad I'm shit at cooking.

Hmm someone disagreed. Pretty sure I've no cooked anything for any members of this forum. Though my door is always open.

 

[balistaus]

Thank you for developing the seduction focus even further, about time we can reject seduction properly, It might be better if we can imprison him/her if he/she is our vassal.

- Claims for yourself now only gives 85% threat.
- Claims for someone else now only gives 50% threat.
- Dejure claim for yourself now only gives 50% threat.
- Dejure claim for someone else now only gives 30% threat.

I think these shouldn't give any threat since you are the rightful owner or your vassals. Please don't make the game even "longer/boring", I waited 47 years for one county claim in multiplayer and imagine if that give infamy and i had to wait for it to go down...

 

[Dracko81]

But even an absolute ruler needs a Council, right? After all, my vassals still wants a place on it.

Obviously they want a seat on your council, but you have abolished all their powers so they still want them.

 

[Mummolus]

Eh, the Council is a position of prestige. The Roman Senate carried on right up until 1453 despite being completely irrelevant after the mid first-century AD.

 

[nekro_vcbc]

"Event 64080 shall no longer cause men to impregnate themselves"
So we will not have petty king piccolo spitting out of his mouth his offspring picollo.

 

[OBRkenobi]

If I could suggest one more thing for shattered retreat. If it's not already covered under "Added attrition during shattered retreat", could you please remove army morale recovery during shattered retreat?
(if its at all possible)

 

[Me_]

- If you manage to seduce your spouse it will no longer be considered a scandalous act of incest (unless you are married under by certain religious ceremonies) because you are related (being spouses to each other), even if you are keeping it in the family.

OK, so this is completely unreadable to me. I must be reading it wrong, but it seems to say:
You will no longer get a penalty for seducing your spouse (unless it's your sister), even if it's your sister.

Unless keeping it in the family means something different than what the sacred Zoroastrian/Messalian marriage is about.

 

[Jackwagon]

Can you guy replace the tiny (+) and (–) with numeric values or at lest something that totals the values for us please oh please oh please

 

[Atlantians]

@Darkrenown

Please add the code to allow modders the ability to make laws that allow free revokation of barony tier, county tier, and kingdom tier titles.

Currently only duchy level titles can be freely revoked in Imperial Administration without Charlemagne, and only duchy level vice-royalties can be freely revoked with Charlemagne, but there is no way to mod in barony/county/king tier revokation without creating a whole new Government system that allows all of these by default.

 

[Jorlem]

Can you guy replace the tiny (+) and (–) with numeric values or at lest something that totals the values for us please oh please oh please

Or even just bigger symbols, the minuses just end up looking like a single long line unless I squint.