2012: Other Side of the Horizon (Post-Modern Pre-Apocalyptic Semi-Realistic Global Ca

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К вопросу о названии страны Россия. Я хотел бы заметить, что Российская Федерация и сейчас состоит из множества автономных республик, а в случае вхождения в её состав новых земель (что мало вероятно на сегодняшний день) наша страна всё равно останется Российской Федерацией (вроде на мат это не похоже, никто не обидится такому названию)
И ещё один вопрос. Можно где-нибудь скачать этот мод и сколько это будет весить (в метрах)?

 

[JRShield]

please, just english.

 

[Kami888]

Я хотел бы заметить, что Российская Федерация и сейчас состоит из множества автономных республик,

Права этих "автаномных республик" несопоставимы с правами государства входящего в союз с Россией. РФ не является союзным государством.
The rights of these "autonomous republics" are not anywhere near the rights required for a union republic. RF is not a union country.

а в случае вхождения в её состав новых земель (что мало вероятно на сегодняшний день) наша страна всё равно останется Российской Федерацией (вроде на мат это не похоже, никто не обидится такому названию)

В таком случае, ты бы не обиделся названию "Украинская Федерация", где основной язык Украинский и все законы пишутся Украинцами? Заметь, что даже при обсуждении союза с Беларусией политики используют термин "Союзное государство России и Беларуси" а не просто "Российская Федерация".
In such case, would you be upset to become part of "Ukrainian Federation" in which Ukrainian is the official language and Ukrainians make all the laws? Notice that even when politicans discuss the unification of Belarus with Russia they use the term "Russo-Belarus Union" as opposed to "Russian Federation".

 

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Господа новобранцы, достаточно пустой демагогии! Нет нужды доказывать здесь свой псевдопатриотизм!
0. Look, we mustn't organize here political forum. I would gladly agree to discuss such problems in other place.
1. Russian Federation don't consist only of autonomous republics, by the way. There're also oblasts, krays, autonomous okrugs and ever one autonomous oblast, if someone forgot .
2. Russian Federation isn't the same as, for example, Russian Hockey Federation or something like this. It doesn't mean "Federation of Russians". kami888 was right whe he said that Russia isn't an union. Look, there are ever discussions in the West, is Russia a federation, or it's an unitary state.
3. New territories. Yes, it's quite unreal, but in the light of the last events... By the way, I hope I will not initiate the WWIII, but I can tell, for example, that if not Moscow, at least Vladikavkaz strongly intends to unite NO with SO and form united Alania within Russia. And our border treaty with Ukraine will end at 30 NOV 2006. Let's wait when Kosovan problem will be solved, and then some interesting things can happen. I say this mainly for Western people.
4. I'm afraid this mod will be around 30Mb, because of its grafics content. It's still in development, when I'll finish, I'll gladly inform the community about it.

 

[Kami888]

It's still in development, when I'll finish, I'll gladly inform the community about it.

Is it "finished when it is finished", or do you have an approximate date?

 

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No, in fact, I'm still not able to tell exact date of release. As for current moment, only most part of technologies remains unready, as well as some minor things. Other parts are finished.

 

[Razbojnik]

I hope that you will covert the mod to DD..
Its sounds very cool..


Keep up the good work, my slavic brother

P.S. Can you make a "Recreation of Yugoslavia" event? could be very cool to see my beloved Yugoslavia in the future again

 

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Yes, the project is already adopted for DD.
Resurrection of Yugoslavia? Well, maybe, maybe. I thought about it, and it can be indeed interesting. Yes, I'll provide such a possibility .

 

[Josip]

Yes, the project is already adopted for DD.
Resurrection of Yugoslavia? Well, maybe, maybe. I thought about it, and it can be indeed interesting. Yes, I'll provide such a possibility .

Or can you please include further splitting of Serbia, like Vojvodina breaking away (sometime around 2013), and after Vojvodina, Beograd, Sanjak, and the rest ceding to Bulgaria? Oh please, that'll be a lot of fun, my slavic brother

 

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Vojvodina already has this opportunity. Kosovo I have in Albania, mainly because there's no definite flag for it: I'm aware only of the flag of Kosovo Liberation Army. Sanjak cannot be shown properly on the HoI2 map, Albanian regions of Southern Serbia - too. So it's what I can tell now.

 

[Razbojnik]

Or can you please include further splitting of Serbia, like Vojvodina breaking away (sometime around 2013), and after Vojvodina, Beograd, Sanjak, and the rest ceding to Bulgaria? Oh please, that'll be a lot of fun, my slavic brother

I highly disagree..! Dont think that Serbia should be split more then it allready is!
And why the he*l should the rest of it go to Bulgaria?? Makes no sens.

I still look forward to an event that merges all the ex-yugoslavian republics together. Could be very, very, very cool to play as Yugoslavia in 2012


*Sings the Yugoslavian national song*

 

[Josip]

I highly disagree..! Dont think that Serbia should be split more then it allready is!
And why the he*l should the rest of it go to Bulgaria?? Makes no sens.

I still look forward to an event that merges all the ex-yugoslavian republics together. Could be very, very, very cool to play as Yugoslavia in 2012


*Sings the Yugoslavian national song*

Look I don't want to start a flame war, but Yugoslavia getting back together can only be your wildest fantasy, so SVS, if you are goning to include these crazy can't-happen-anymore event, then other republics, like Croatia and Slovenia should accept it only if under a military threat from bigger nations like Germany, France, UK or USA (like it did happend historicaly in 1919).

 

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Look, gentlemen, I just tried to be diplomatic . De-facto it is impossible to re-create Yugoslavia in its 100% borders - maximum only Orthodox part and only by military force. But splitting Serbia is also... not very good idea because remaining 4 (or 6 with Vojvodina) provinces are just insplittable! And it would be too cruel as well.
And there's no Bulgaria as independent nation. It's almost like as in Yugoslavian joke of late 80's:
"- How many states will be on the European map to 2010?
- Nine: Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Kosovo, Vojvodina and United Europe!"

 

[Josip]

Look, gentlemen, I just tried to be diplomatic . De-facto it is impossible to re-create Yugoslavia in its 100% borders - maximum only Orthodox part and only by military force.

So Serbia + Montenegro + Republika Srpska of BiH? Fine, as long as Croatia and Slovenia are in the EU

 

[Razbojnik]

So Serbia + Montenegro + Republika Srpska of BiH? Fine, as long as Croatia and Slovenia are in the EU

I agree with that.. But maybe add a event called: "Serbia wants kosovo back"
it is a possible scenario! Kosovo "was" a serbian "core province" but then the albanians choose to move there and reclaim "their land" pff.. MY AS*..!

Sorry guys for sharing my political viewpoint, but the subject is stands very close to me.. I lost many family members in the war there. They choose to give away their lives for Yugoslavia! My biggest dream is that they did not die for nothing.. That thier sacrifice meant something..!

 

[Josip]

I agree with that.. But maybe add a event called: "Serbia wants kosovo back"
it is a possible scenario! Kosovo "was" a serbian "core province" but then the albanians choose to move there and reclaim "their land" pff.. MY AS*..!

Sorry guys for sharing my political viewpoint, but the subject is stands very close to me.. I lost many family members in the war there. They choose to give away their lives for Yugoslavia! My biggest dream is that they did not die for nothing.. That thier sacrifice meant something..!

This really isn't the time and place...
But, nobody forced Serbians to war with Kosovo, or Croatia for that matter, and frankly you got what you deserved.

 

[Kami888]

I say serbia should not have kosovo as a core province any more (after all too many Kosovans just blindly hate Serbia), but Serbia can have control of the province fr a while nevertheless.
Oh btw SVS, how have you resolved Azeri-Armenian conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh? I know it can't be properly represented on HOI2 map, but still, i'd like to see it included somehow.

 

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Please have some Serbs kill an Arch Duke.

I think you coudl get african tech teams from Modent Day Scenario. Most of those people are likely going to be alive still 6 years from now

 

[Dogget]

Bulgaria can have Macedonia. After the war in the area of the Balcans the Bulgaria VS Macedonia and Bulgaria win.

 

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Bulgaria can have Macedonia. After the war in the area of the Balcans the Bulgaria VS Macedonia and Bulgaria win.

Nonsense.Then Turkey goes after all Balkans again? :rofl: