2 decisions

[Basileios Makedon]

UNIFY THE SERBIAN PEOPLE


It has passed a lot of time since our people was obligated to bend their knees to the Turks. Now we are strong and we rule over the majority of Serbian lands; it’s just common sense to reclaim the legacy of the serbian empire and become the protector of the balkan slavs.


Potential Requirements

· Serbia does not exist

· Is not HRE or Ottomans

· Primary culture is Serbian

· Any of the following:

· Is human

· Is AI and owns at least 4 provinces

· Is not a colonial nation

· Any of the following:

· Is not a former colonial nation

· Is a human former colonial nation

Allow

· Is at peace

· Is not a subject nation

· Owns and has core on the following:

· Srbija

· Kosovo

· Zeta



Effects

· Becomes primary tag of Serbian culture

· Gain claim on all provinces in the SerbianRegion not owned by Serbia

· Gains modifier "United serbian slavs"
- +1 yearly prestige for 25 years

· Governement Rank increased to Kingdom

· All provinces in the HRE are removed if it’s not an elector


UNIFY THE TURKISH PEOPLE


Those Ottomans that had pretensions over ruling the Turkish people are gone, showing that they were a mere beylik that grew big. Now that they are gone, we can present us as the uniters of the turks and gain legitimacy over the Turkish lands.


Potential Requirements

· Is not The Ottomans

· Primary culture is turkish

· If is AI controlled must own at least 10 provinces

Allow

· Is not a vassal

· Is not at war

· Owns Karaman, Ankara, Sinop, Hüdavendigar, Mentese, Erzurum, Sivas, Dulkadir

- Any of the following:

- Ottomans do not exist

- Owns Edirne, Constantinople

Effects

· Country :

· Adds claim on all Anatolia

· Becomes the primary tag for Turkish culture

· Adds the modifier "United Turks" for 30 years:

+1 yearly prestige

 

[magnusvejby]

The turkey one i agree on, but the serbian one, no coz the only other country that is serbain culture, that not is Serbia is Bosnia, and i dont think the bosnians would like to change their nation to Serbia.

 

[Basileios Makedon]

The turkey one i agree on, but the serbian one, no coz the only other country that is serbain culture, that not is Serbia is Bosnia, and i dont think the bosnians would like to change their nation to Serbia.

I'm not sure about the Serbian one too, maybe just become primary tag would be ok

 

[lolada]

Serbian one:
- don't see this going through in that sense, empire and protector of balkan slavs, that didn't happen in history. Maybe ambition to conquer most if not all balkan lands and to fight of Ottomans can be implemented through missions to guide Serbian players and AI; bosnian people for example didn't share these ambitions, they fought of invaders and even conquer around a bit, and later on many accepted otto's culture

Unify Turkish people:
- this one has even less sense i think. There was extended discussion recently (month or two ago) that Ottomans are not Turks per se. Empire was large and ruling elite was not turkish in modern sense - they were somewhere from east, near Georgia if i recall. As the empire colapsed thru centuries only turkish parts remained, it was shadow of fallen empire. Some smart educated people discussed there, i won't pretend i know history that well so will stop here -_-, topic should be somewhere here on forums.

 

[Basileios Makedon]

Serbian one:
- don't see this going through in that sense, empire and protector of balkan slavs, that didn't happen in history. Maybe ambition to conquer most if not all balkan lands and to fight of Ottomans can be implemented through missions to guide Serbian players and AI; bosnian people for example didn't share these ambitions, they fought of invaders and even conquer around a bit, and later on many accepted otto's culture

Unify Turkish people:
- this one has even less sense i think. There was extended discussion recently (month or two ago) that Ottomans are not Turks per se. Empire was large and ruling elite was not turkish in modern sense - they were somewhere from east, near Georgia if i recall. As the empire colapsed thru centuries only turkish parts remained, it was shadow of fallen empire. Some smart educated people discussed there, i won't pretend i know history that well so will stop here -_-, topic should be somewhere here on forums.

Ok, I think there should be a decision to become the primary tag of your cultures if the primary tag does not exist. It's mainly because its' annoying when, as Bosnia, you conquer Serbia and those cores remain FOREVER, so anyone can demand you release Serbia in a peace deal, wich can be a catastrophe. Same as montenegro. The description doesn't matter, if you have a better one, I'll add it to the post.
-Basically same as Serbs, maybe in history the empire was not completely turk, but in-game it is. As a beylik, you can't remove Ottoman cores, so they can demand to release them. In addition, if Ottomans fall, they can appear again as OTTOMAN SEPARATIST, wich make absolutely no sense.

 

[solamyas]

Unify Turkish people:
- this one has even less sense i think. There was extended discussion recently (month or two ago) that Ottomans are not Turks per se. Empire was large and ruling elite was not turkish in modern sense - they were somewhere from east, near Georgia if i recall. As the empire colapsed thru centuries only turkish parts remained, it was shadow of fallen empire. Some smart educated people discussed there, i won't pretend i know history that well so will stop here -_-, topic should be somewhere here on forums.

You missremember the details but what Tufto and others said in that thread(OP was requesting renameing of the TUR tag{tag of the Ottomans} to Turkey.) is on favor of this decision suggestion; If another Beylik destroy the Ottomans, Ottomans shouldn't be primary tag of the Turkish culture.

I was expecting separate Ottoman culture in the Oghuz culture group at the cultures overhaul patch (Ottomans as primary tag for Ottoman culture and Karaman as primary tag for the Turkish culture.

 

[staycool.]

"Bosnian people" didn't exist in the 15th century, they are a product of Serbs and Croats that adopted Islam.

 

[lolada]

"Bosnian people" didn't exist in the 15th century, they are a product of Serbs and Croats that adopted Islam.

No but serbs and croats joined happily and built a country names bosnia even if they had croatio and serbia next to them

 

[staycool.]

You forgot that there is a flying spaghetti monster out to get us all.

 

[Basileios Makedon]

You forgot that there is a flying spaghetti monster out to get us all.

Beware!