2.6.3 (VNFM) Option to grant viceroyalties disappears

[ebix]

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I'm playing as a merchant republic byzantine empire with Imperial Administration. On loading a save the option to grant viceroyalties has disappeared from the diplomatic menu (not even a grayed out bar telling me why I can't grant them). Save game attached.

 

[ebix]

Bumping this? Do you need more information? This is making the game unplayable for me.

 

[ebix]

bump

 

[wildcat_paris]

is it a "merchant republic" or "byzantine empire" ?
the Byzantines are feudal (Imperial -- can grant vice royalties), they are not a Merchant Republic (at Empire level, the Grand Prince cannot grant vice royalties)

The Byzantines should not be a Merchant Republic
But the Byzantines can be liege of some Merchant Republics (like Venise)

 

[jruderman]

Only feudal rulers are allowed to enable Imperial Administration (without Conclave) and Viceroyalty laws (regardless of whether Conclave is enabled). Even if you somehow managed to keep or pass the Viceroyalty law as a merchant republic, I wouldn't expect it to allow granting viceroyalties. However, if it changed between save and load, something went wrong somewhere.

 

[jruderman]

Furthermore, feudal rulers are only allowed to grant viceroyalties to rulers with exactly the same government (nonmuslim feudal, or iqta). I'm guessing most of your vassals don't have the merchant republic government type!

 

[ebix]

is it a "merchant republic" or "byzantine empire" ?
the Byzantines are feudal (Imperial -- can grant vice royalties), they are not a Merchant Republic (at Empire level, the Grand Prince cannot grant vice royalties)

It is both.
* I started as Venice
* swore fealty to the BE
* married a member of my dynasty to a daughter of BE
* weak claim passed to their son
* son elected as serene doge
* start a faction for my claim on BE
* win faction war

Byzantine Empire is now Merchant republic, which you can verify by loading the provided save.

You can also see that it WAS possible for me to grant viceroyalties as a MR via the screenshots provided.

Its a bug either way, but maybe game devs can clear up the intentions here.

 

[wildcat_paris]

It is both.

Byzantine Empire is now Merchant republic, which you can verify by loading the provided save.

You can also see that it WAS possible for me to grant viceroyalties as a MR via the screenshots provided.View attachment 238891

Its a bug either way, but maybe game devs can clear up the intentions here.

I have just looked at your save file.

Yes right, so Venice just took over the Byzantines as (Empire Style) Merchant Republic on year 964. Cool!

So you are Catholic and one of your vassals is the Orthodox Church Patriach and you have the option to make the templars your vassals (making a catholic order to serve you while you have the Orthodox Patriarch as vassal!).

So, you were able to grant, as Doge, the vice-kingdom of Cyprus on 982.

Looking at the laws, you have the imperial administration (apparently you can switch to late feudal administration) BUT you don't have the law to grant vice kingdom and duchies.

(At least, you had the law once but reloading the game, you have lost it.)

So I can assume, it is a bug. You shouldn't have had the ability to grand vice-titles when you took over the Byzantines because you are playing with a merchant republic.