[2.5.2.2][OTSX] Cannot Arrange Marriage

[Gungar]

Description: I have recently purchased and downloaded CKII from WinGamesStore. I have played before using a friends copy with no issues, however there is an immediate issue upon starting the game with marriages. I can arrange a marriage using the rings on the character panel, but when clicking on a portrait to marry someone, there is an issue. First, it always displays 'Arrange Betrothal' regardless of the character's age. Second, when I try to arrange it, I cannot select myself or anyone from my court. I don't think this is intentionally part of the game and is most likely a bug of some sort. This has occurred in three game startups each with different conditions. I have tried restarting and verifying the game cache.

DLC: All Major DLC except Horse Lords, Way of Life, and Conclave. Neither Sunset Invasion nor Ruler Designer was active.

Mods: I am not using any mods.

 

[Dracko81]

I'm not sure what you are doing. The rings should only appear on your courtiers, and it should be bringing up the correct screen according to age. Do you have an example of where it doesn't?

The screenshot you have displayed here has betrothal selected because it was clicked. Which is also why you have no choices. You can only betroth child characters, if you had one it would show up in the list. If you select arrange marriage instead of arrange betrothal it should show you - assuming you are not married.

If you are still having an issue can you try to be a little bit more specific to the issue.

 

[Gungar]

I'm so retarded....I somehow didn't notice arrange marriage....

Thanks for the reply!

 

[Dracko81]

It's fine, the game isn't known for its easy learning curve. Welcome to the community.

 

[Palmerdale]

I've had a very similar issue... I can't arrange a marriage for a vassal. He has a 'Get Married' ambition, but no Rings icon. The R-Click version of the Arrange Marriage doesn't allow me to choose this vassal to be married (defaults to me with an empty groom, and the vassal with an empty bride -- not what I want/need at all). Easily repeatable Start game with 1066 High Middle Ages -- custom game start -- select Murchad ua Briain of Mumu (Ireland) and play. After a Month or so, his vassal Ragnvald va Vedrafjord (Earl of Urmhumham) comes up with the ambition to get married. He won't have a rings icon for me, and R-Clicking to arrange a marriage gives the issue above. The interface appears to be keeping me from getting my vassal married. Ideally, I want Murchad with Ragnvald as a groom, and a blank liege/bride arrangement allowing me select appropriate wives / lieges to match with him.

I also recently purchased CKII, from the Steam Summer sale. It appears that I don't have any DLC (expansions), and am trying to verify exactly what I purchased / received. My initial thought was that this kind of interface issue might result from not having a specific DLC installed (i.e., it may have changed / been fixed in a DLC that it appears that I do not have). Resolving an issue with a Steam Purchase... wish me luck.

I'm also having a lot of other issues -- inability to revoke titles, unable to invite people to my court, messages alerting me about a 'wrong type of leader' for a holding (King trying to take direct control of a town that had been controlled by a rebellious sister that I imprisoned -- in Leon, not Mumu), etc. I'm still learning what to do, and how to accomplish something given this interface, but so far, I'm playing an interface, not the game. I'm hoping there's a specific DLC that fixes some of these issues.

 

[Dracko81]

Well you can't organise marriages of your vassals like you can with your courtiers. Courtiers do as their told. Vassals and other lords do as they please - most of the time. You can organise a marriage between them and someone else in your court, but they do not have to accept it.

This isn't an interface issue, the interface only has rings on characters of who you are playing or your courtiers.

I'd say the issues you are having are related to not knowing rules. For example feudal characters will receive a penalty for wrong holding types, these include tribal, temple or cities. You should grant these holdings to random courtiers and should not grant them to family members unless you understand the full consequences of doing so. You should ask for help about these issues on the main forum as nothing you have bought up sounds like a bug.

 

[Palmerdale]

Okay. Better question then. Why doesn't the standard tutorial OR the 'Learning scenario' touch on that topic? Make your courtiers happy by marrying them off, but that's not an option for vassals (and no in-game feedback about why an action failed or works differently when applied to a character already working for you).

Having 2 different interfaces (the R-Click and the Rings) for the same function, but using different restrictions / rules is a potential issue, especially from a new player's perspective. I've been in the game for only 8 or 9 hours total, in a couple of different countries; my current knowledge is limited, but I'm exploring. My initial observation is that the interface is dreadful.

Back to the initial issue, Ragnvald had the Rings interface exactly once -- the very first time I played as Murchad when Ragnvald first got the 'Get Married' ambition, On that instance, the Rings tried to marry someone in my court to someone in his court (apparently). I believe it occurred the first time I tried the 'Learning Scenario', but I don't have the specific details on that. I haven't had time to explore this further with other countries (maybe only an issue on the first time playing a country with this specific configuration?) I haven't been able to get the Rings interface to reappear, so I considered it a possible 'initial use' bug.

I'm still trying to work with Steam to see what DLC / expansions I purchased -- I thought the package I bought included Charlemagne and The Old Gods (I knew about those expansions and wanted both), but Steam doesn't show any DLC for my account, even to the point of not having a DLC tab on my CKII game properties interface. Hopefully, that will teach me to buy something and let it sit around a month before checking it out (especially with Steam). I suspected (and still do suspect) that this issue was related to not having some specific expansion DLC. Thought I'd iron out what exactly I'm supposed to have, get it installed and updated, then worry about reporting issues or asking questions.

I was replying that this wasn't an isolated incident, merely supporting @Gungar's initial post with another observation along the same line (recent purchase and marriage issues). It may be entirely a learning issue. It appears to be something else, though, especially with another person experiencing similar problems. Maybe there is a problem with CKII w/o DLCs, and maybe Gungar is having a similar issue. I appreciate that I may not know the game well, but the circumstances of my installation details and Gungar's unstated installation details might help him or the developers who might trying to chase this problem. I did not expect any long time player, who probably has several expansions to the game to experience the same issue, but I do appreciate the help, Dracko81. I did learn something by Gungar's issue -- I won't confuse the entirely-too-similar Betrothal and Marriage interfaces in the future.

 

[Dracko81]

To put it as simply as possible, there is no DLC that affects the rings and the way in which marriage is handled.

There is only so much information you want to put into a tutorial to keep peoples attention. If there isn't enough substance to the tutorial, you could try the wiki. Although for more accurate answers to your specific questions, asking on the forums is usually best. The wiki is essentially the games manual and is updated with each iteration of the game. Some things might not have been updated though.

As said earlier in the thread though, this game isn't known for its easy learning curve. One thing you will find out eventually is that fulfilling vassals and courtiers ambitions is only really necessary for roleplaying. Ambitions are more personal goals.