[2.5.1] Late Administration law available at Legalism 3

[romothecus]

The "Late Administration" law permits changing to Primogeniture. It's available at Legalism 3, which means it's available right off the bat in 1066.

I don't think this is intended, since it was specifically said that the "Late" law refers to more absolutist monarchs in the later centuries. And it means that, for example, the HRE can immediately go Late->Primogeniture and get rid of the elective system at the beginning of the game.

Before Conclave, Primogeniture was only available at High crown authority, which was also "Legalism 3" but which was significantly more dangerous by itself (-20 vassal opinion), and requiring multiple generations to pass (since you could only change one crown law per ruler).

Having left Primogeniture requiring ONLY Late, and Late requiring ONLY Legalism 3, it seems like you forgot to make Late Administration actually be "Late." It's probably meant to require Legalism 5 or 6.

 

[romothecus]

It’s in this screen that you’ll be able to manage the new laws derived from the old Crown Authority laws, such as Controlled Realm Inheritance, Title Revocation and a new Administration law called ‘Late’ which enables the late-game succession forms (i.e. Primogeniture).

In case anyone is wondering this is the quote from Birken I was referring to regarding the "Late" law.

It hardly seems "late" if it's available from day 1 in the normal bookmark.

 

[rageair]

Hello! While not technically a bug, it's interesting to hear your feedback. Note that it's much harder to get when starting in 769 or 867, which was the original intent. It's also meant to be balanced by the prevalence of Elective Factions. Though, if you have any more specific feedback, please post it in the suggestions forum and we'll read it!

 

[romothecus]

Hello! While not technically a bug, it's interesting to hear your feedback. Note that it's much harder to get when starting in 769 or 867, which was the original intent.

Interesting. Because yes, obviously, it is "harder" to get when starting in 769 or 867 compared to 1066, it is also "easier" to get than in 769 or 867 than it used to be. Primogeniture always required Legalism 3, whether via High Crown Authority Law or via the new Late Administration Authority.

The problem is that now getting to Primogeniture lacks any of the downsides it used to: High Crown Authority. Even if you got Legalism 3 in 769, you would still need to get up to High Crown Authority which would take several generations of changing crown authority laws, with -25 just for raising it, and a penalty that higher you went. Now it's just available as soon as you get Legalism 3 and change the administration law, which has no vassal penalties at all.

And by the way, Legalism 3 in 769? Just not that hard. Even in 769, Western Europe starts at 1. You can then easily generate hundreds of points by parking a Spymaster in the ERE, Middle East, Muslim Spain, etc. I'd have to test but I'm guessing I could easily have Legalism 3 by 800.