[2.5.1] Council members randomly dropped from Council

[CheesySnake]

I came across this one a few times when I was playing last night. Brand new saves as both the Petty King of Mumu, and then Count of Buchan. I'm playing with no mods, all major DLCs (with Sunset Invasion switched off) and a couple of minor DLCs (Celtic portraits and the Dynasty shields, IIRC).

Occasionally, I'd get a message that Person X was no longer the Y on my Council, and the notification for having an empty seat would appear. The person in question wasn't dead or anything and there was no explanation as to why they left the council (no message saying they'd resigned or something similar). There was no negative opinion modifier (aside from if they were powerful vassals wanting to be on the council), they just weren't on the council any more. It wasn't confined to a single councillor or position, and happened on both saves several times.

There was no real pattern to it occurring, it just kind of happened without warning each time. I initially thought it might have been from Mayors or Bishops dying and vacating their seats, but it definitely was the same character as was on the council before.

 

[Dracko81]

Councillors are allowed to resign from the council. Just like you as the player are allowed to. However unlike a player they must join the council if told to.

 

[Seelensturm]

I know this mystery from pre 2.5. Can AI character decide to resign from council?

 

[Seelensturm]

Councillors are allowed to resign from the council. Just like you as the player are allowed to. However unlike a player they must join the council if told to.

So is there a flag which protects them from being forced back?

 

[CheesySnake]

Councillors are allowed to resign from the council. Just like you as the player are allowed to. However unlike a player they must join the council if told to.

Ah ok. But shouldn't there be some message to say that they've resigned? There was no obvious reason why they would resign either. Most of my councilors had a positive opinion and I don't recall doing anything to piss them off (unless they can decide to resign if a council vote doesn't go their way).

 

[Dracko81]

So is there a flag which protects them from being forced back?

No you can reassign them immediately, but chances are they will resign later anyway.

Ah ok. But shouldn't there be some message to say that they've resigned? There was no obvious reason why they would resign either. Most of my councilors had a positive opinion and I don't recall doing anything to piss them off (unless they can decide to resign if a council vote doesn't go their way).

Well the notification is the message. It has always been like this, but obviously some way of further interaction would be nice. I'm sure the QA guys will take a note of it for a possible improvement though.

 

[Chunakun]

Wow. They resign but after resigning they are discontent because they are not on the council. Makes sense.

 

[CheesySnake]

Well the notification is the message. It has always been like this, but obviously some way of further interaction would be nice. I'm sure the QA guys will take a note of it for a possible improvement though.

That would be helpful. Be good to have a more explicit differentiation between leaving due to death (though I guess that has an additional message), or because of resigning.

 

[rageair]

I'm unsure if it's caused by Councillors resigning. Did they gain/lose titles in any way? It'd be really nice to get a repro case for this, if possible.

Thanks!

 

[CheesySnake]

I'm unsure if it's caused by Councillors resigning. Did they gain/lose titles in any way? It'd be really nice to get a repro case for this, if possible.

Thanks!

Not that I'm aware of. I was just messing about as a single county Earl so I didn't have anything to hand out myself. I'll try and reproduce it when I get home tonight.