[2.42 AJJW] Strange Umayyad coat of arms

[GeneralPetrov]

So I think this picture is pretty self explanatory: as you can see the Umayyad's for some reason have a pagan coat of arms. The game is not modified at all and I've already tried deleting the gfx folder but that hasn't changed anything. I've tried the latest beta patch but that also didn't change anything. I can't find any other Muslim rulers that have a pagan coat of arms, but I did notice this:

The Abbasid's coat of arms also seem to have changed for me since Horse Lords was released. It's not pagan, but it is different to the coat of arms the Abbasid's had before Horse Lords:

I don't really mind so much about the Abbasids, but the Umayyads having a norse raven as their coat of arms just feels so ridiculous.

 

[Talq]

The game is not modified at all and I've already tried deleting the gfx folder but that hasn't changed anything. I've tried the latest beta patch but that also didn't change anything.

Strange. What coat of arms DLCs do you have?

 

[Servancour]

WAD. Dynasty Coat of Arms are now decided by the founder of a dynasty and will not change if a ruler switch religion (like it used to do). This is a recent change to prevent dynasties from flipping through several different CoAs just because the rulers switch between different religions every now and then. And if you go back to the founder of the Umayyads, you'll find that he was a pagan, thus the pagan CoA.

As for the Abbasids, the CoA is just randomized differently now as to how it was before Horse Lords.

 

[GeneralPetrov]

WAD. Dynasty Coat of Arms are now decided by the founder of a dynasty and will not change if a ruler switch religion (like it used to do). This is a recent change to prevent dynasties from flipping through several different CoAs just because the rulers switch between different religions every now and then. And if you go back to the founder of the Umayyads, you'll find that he was a pagan, thus the pagan CoA.

As for the Abbasids, the CoA is just randomized differently now as to how it was before Horse Lords.

You cant seriously be telling me that the Umayyad's having a norse raven as their coat of arms is working as designed.

 

[GeneralPetrov]

Strange. What coat of arms DLCs do you have?

Can't remember right now but I'm pretty sure I have all but one or two of the most recent.

 

[Bernard95]

You need the Early CoA pack from the CM era to fix that. You would think they could make one exception for the Umayyads, but I guess not. Bare minimum I really wish they would separate out the Pagan religions so you don't have clearly Norse/Germanic designs for all Pagans.

I think you can clear your cache and see if you get something a little better.

 

[GeneralPetrov]

You need the Early CoA pack from the CM era to fix that. You would think they could make one exception for the Umayyads, but I guess not. Bare minimum I really wish they would separate out the Pagan religions so you don't have clearly Norse/Germanic designs for all Pagans.

I think you can clear your cache and see if you get something a little better.

Really? So I'm forced to pay to fix a bug? That's a bit of a rip off isn't it?

 

[Voy]

Really? So I'm forced to pay to fix a bug? That's a bit of a rip off isn't it?

If you feel like doing a little bit of modding yourself, if you don't play ironman, then you can do so easily.

Go into common/dynasties

Open up 00_dynasties text and find Umayyads.

Make it look like this:

597=
{
   name="Umayyad"
   culture="egyptian_arabic"
   religion="pagan"
   coat_of_arms=
   {
     data=
     {
0 2 0 1 0 0 0        }
     religion="sunni"
   }
   forced_coa_religiongroup="muslim" <---- add this!
}

Add the stuff pointed out. The dynasty isn't playable when it's pagan either way so it will always be muslim regardless of religion. Thank me later.

And @Servancour , this way of fixing it will not overwrite the dynasty shield pack either so people with the DLC won't be affected. The most efficient way to fix this WAD issue.

 

[GeneralPetrov]

If you feel like doing a little bit of modding yourself, if you don't play ironman, then you can do so easily.

Go into common/dynasties

Open up 00_dynasties text and find Umayyads.

Make it look like this:

597=
{
   name="Umayyad"
   culture="egyptian_arabic"
   religion="pagan"
   coat_of_arms=
   {
     data=
     {
0 2 0 1 0 0 0        }
     religion="sunni"
   }
   forced_coa_religiongroup="muslim" <---- add this!
}

Add the stuff pointed out. The dynasty isn't playable when it's pagan either way so it will always be muslim regardless of religion. Thank me later.

And @Servancour , this way of fixing it will not overwrite the dynasty shield pack either so people with the DLC won't be affected. The most efficient way to fix this WAD issue.

Is this late enough? But seriously, thank you very much. It's finding nice helpful people like you on the internet

Even though I don't mind modding the game (I don't really do ironman anyway), I still think it's a bit stupid i either have to mod the game or buy a dlc to fix a bug. For all paradox say they don't do early access, it honestly felt like when I first bought the expansion I was playing a beta, and even now overall the expansion still has a few bugs and unbalanced features. I would appreciate a response from a dev (i.e Servancour) other than "working as designed", which it quite clearly isn't, or if it is it's not a very good design. Either that or paradox has some weird view of the Umayyads.

I know it's only a small thing, but in a way that just makes it more annoying.

 

[GeneralPetrov]

I apologise for sounding whiny and bumping this, but can I actually get some assurance this will be fixed by @Servancour? Because otherwise I cant play ironman.

 

[Servancour]

Don't bump threads in the bug report forum please.

Technically, it's still not a bug, though I can see how it looks weird. However, the suggestion provided by Voy should be pretty easy to add (actually forgot we had that). I'll take it up with the team and see if we'll add that to the Umayyad in a future patch. It won't be a priority at the moment though.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

As i mentioned in a thread on the same issue weeks ago, i believe the raven is actually on purpose, but to be perceived as a falcon:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...rse-banner-for-ummayads.857943/#post-19701461
So could be indeed WAD, but i got no answer on it.

A falcon would make sense as the founder of the Ummayyad Emirate was know as the falcon of Andalus.
Again, not sure if on purpose or pure coincidence.

 

[Voy]

As i mentioned in a thread on the same issue weeks ago, i believe the raven is actually on purpose, but to be perceived as a falcon:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...rse-banner-for-ummayads.857943/#post-19701461
So could be indeed WAD, but i got no answer on it.

A falcon would make sense as the founder of the Ummayyad Emirate was know as the falcon of Andalus.
Again, not sure if on purpose or pure coincidence.

The dynasty shield pack that came alongside charlie covers the Ummayyads and it's not a falcon.

 

[GeneralPetrov]

Don't bump threads in the bug report forum please.

Technically, it's still not a bug, though I can see how it looks weird. However, the suggestion provided by Voy should be pretty easy to add (actually forgot we had that). I'll take it up with the team and see if we'll add that to the Umayyad in a future patch. It won't be a priority at the moment though.

Sorry, when you said it was WAD, I was under the impression that you were effectively saying you weren't going to fix it. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

The dynasty shield pack that came alongside charlie covers the Ummayyads and it's not a falcon.

That is indeed a pretty good argument.
The only COA DLC i don't have.
Thanks