[2.3] AI doesn't break betrothals

[nhgrif]

These two characters were betrothed several years ago. When I offered the betrothal, the AI agreed to a marry matrilineally. I figured it didn't matter to terribly much matrilineally or not, as they're of the same dynasty, but I preferred that they be in my court, and the female is my daughter.

In this specific situation, I get the pop-up alerting me that "betrothed can marry", but when I click it, the "Send" button is grayed out because the male's liege won't accept the betrothal.

Before anyone asks, neither character is a monk/nun, or eunuch, nor is there any other reason they shouldn't be allowed to marry.

Also, the male isn't a councilor for his liege--I know that sometimes makes a difference (as a child he wasn't a councilor, so matrilineal was okay, but now he is a councilor and liege isn't okay with matrilineal, etc). But even if this is the case, if the terms of the betrothal are no longer okay with the AI, then the AI should be the one forced to break the betrothal and my character should have a negative opinion of him.

When I hover of the "Send" button, the tool tip popover says that the marriage isn't of the same type as the betrothal... which for starters isn't true. But even if it were true, checking/unchecking the matrilineal checkbox makes no difference. The "Send" button remains disabled, and the tooltip continues to say the marriage isn't the same type as the betrothal.

It might be a bug that the AI isn't accepting this.

But I've actually never seen the AI break a betrothal. If two characters are betrothed, once they're both of age, the "Send" button should always been available for their marriage. If the terms of the betrothal are no longer acceptable to the AI, then the AI should simply reply to the marriage proposal with a "No", my character has a lower opinion of the AI, and the betrothal is broken. It shouldn't be up to me to break the betrothal just so I can actually marry off my daughter. The current betrothal is more than acceptable to me, yet I have to be the one to break it off even when its the AI who no longer wants it.

 

[Maeldun]

I've seen the "marriage isn't same type as betrothal" when the betrothal was made by the previous ruler, but under 2.2.1 I eventually get a marriage request from the other party and they can marry that way. In 2.3 there was no way to get them to marry because, as you pointed out, the AI doesn't break the betrothal and never sends the marriage request. If you feel strongly enough that you must wed your daughter to this particular character, find a way to get him in your court and you can do whatever you want - break betrothal, arrange marriage - no need for diplomacy.

I still find it to be ridiculous that "break betrothal" incurs a -30 opinion penalty while "declared war" only incurs -25...I have a feeling that these numbers play a role in driving AI behavior, so changing them might have some interesting effects.

 

[dave489571]

I've had this happen many times, and not just with matrilineal (though those seem most frequent), and very often I can then break the betrothal myself, and re-arrange it, even under the same terms, and it'll work - and I still get the "broke betrothal" penalty. So it's definitely some kind of bug, and not just that the betrothal is really no longer valid under those conditions. Might be my imagination, but I notice it seems to happen most frequently if it's a betrothal within the same dynasty (I get it very often playing as Zoroastrians).

 

[nhgrif]

Perhaps. In this particular instance, the betrothed are of the same dynasty. Also, the lieges of the betrothed are of the same dynasty. Everyone is one big happy family.

 

[MrNibbles]

We have a similar case of this added in our database.. are by any chance anyone of the characters a legitimized bastard? I'll make sure to bump this up in our database.

 

[Mohreb]

Hi i have been redirected to here.
In my case the boy is an un-legitimized bastard if that helps.
and the situation have changed:
as in, i granted hem a barony after he was bethroded => if he would not have agreed to marry later, he wouldn't have got the barony in the first place so he should still accept :S,
Or at least to be forced to break and then he shoul be threated as free-revoke occasion to avoid this kind of annoyences. (if lieges bethrodal offer broken)