The way the viceroy system is described, it sounds as though you should only inherit a vassal's viceroy title (everything else should go to his normal successor).
Unfortunately, if they are of your dynasty, then you actually inherit almost everything: armies (levies, retinues and event troops), gold, courtiers, Jewish debt, and holy relics.
I don't think that viceroy inheritance should be any different for dynastic and non-dynastic viceroys - why should my cousin have to give me all of his stuff when he dies, rather than giving it to his son?
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Reproduction steps
(All DLCs activated, no mods, bug exists in ironman with achievements)
--- Start in 867 as the Byzantine emperor Basileios (#1700).
--- Grant a county to your brother Marinos (#145130), then give him a viceroyalty (either duchy or kingdom).
--- Switch to Marinos using the console, take out a Jewish debt, raise his armies, create a retinue and create a courtier. (If you know the event ID to get a holy relic, you could do that too.)
--- Note that the heir displayed for Marinos is his father Bardas (#145129), not Basileios.
--- Switch back to Basileios, then kill Marinos using the console.
--- Bardas inherits the county (correct!), but Basileios inherits all of the cash/armies/retinues/courtiers/debts (incorrect - those should have followed the county).
(If you repeat the steps above with a non-dynastic vassal then everything works as you would expect.)
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Related
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/2-2-0-4-the-viceroys-debt.814218/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-kingdoms-giving-free-units-and-ships.855386/
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Consequences
One of the obvious goals of the game is to create a "family empire" (where most of counts, dukes and kings are in your dynasty) because this ensures that your dynasty will remain powerful (even if the player character doesn't manage to keep the throne).
However, the viceroy inheritance rule makes you seriously overpowered if you try to do this:
(1) Practically-infinite gold:
--- Vassalise a holy order that can receive donations
--- Wait a while until they have a LOT of gold (from AI donations) and someone of your dynasty is grandmaster (very likely in a family empire)
--- Grant them a county (if necessary) and a kingdom viceroyalty
--- Wait for the grandmaster to die
--- Inherit all the gold.
(I got over 200k gold from the Order of the Holy Sepulchre this way. They got back up to 200k again in less than 100 years.)
(2) Seriously oversized retinues:
--- You always inherit all of your dynastic viceroys' retinues, so you can quickly build up a retinue that's FAR above your limit.
--- The cost of an oversized retinue isn't a problem because also you're continually inheriting your dynastic viceroys' gold.
--- The only disadvantage is that it drains your personal levies to keep your retinue filled up.
Other minor issues:
--- Stacks of 10+ holy relics, each giving you 0.2 piety per month.
--- Stacks of Jewish debt - but they can ALL be cleared by ONE payment of 350 from the intrigue menu.
--- Inherited courtiers include a lot of unlanded characters of your dynasty - you have to manually choose guardians/spouses/etc for all of them. (Very tedious.)
Unfortunately, if they are of your dynasty, then you actually inherit almost everything: armies (levies, retinues and event troops), gold, courtiers, Jewish debt, and holy relics.
I don't think that viceroy inheritance should be any different for dynastic and non-dynastic viceroys - why should my cousin have to give me all of his stuff when he dies, rather than giving it to his son?
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Reproduction steps
(All DLCs activated, no mods, bug exists in ironman with achievements)
--- Start in 867 as the Byzantine emperor Basileios (#1700).
--- Grant a county to your brother Marinos (#145130), then give him a viceroyalty (either duchy or kingdom).
--- Switch to Marinos using the console, take out a Jewish debt, raise his armies, create a retinue and create a courtier. (If you know the event ID to get a holy relic, you could do that too.)
--- Note that the heir displayed for Marinos is his father Bardas (#145129), not Basileios.
--- Switch back to Basileios, then kill Marinos using the console.
--- Bardas inherits the county (correct!), but Basileios inherits all of the cash/armies/retinues/courtiers/debts (incorrect - those should have followed the county).
(If you repeat the steps above with a non-dynastic vassal then everything works as you would expect.)
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Related
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/2-2-0-4-the-viceroys-debt.814218/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-kingdoms-giving-free-units-and-ships.855386/
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Consequences
One of the obvious goals of the game is to create a "family empire" (where most of counts, dukes and kings are in your dynasty) because this ensures that your dynasty will remain powerful (even if the player character doesn't manage to keep the throne).
However, the viceroy inheritance rule makes you seriously overpowered if you try to do this:
(1) Practically-infinite gold:
--- Vassalise a holy order that can receive donations
--- Wait a while until they have a LOT of gold (from AI donations) and someone of your dynasty is grandmaster (very likely in a family empire)
--- Grant them a county (if necessary) and a kingdom viceroyalty
--- Wait for the grandmaster to die
--- Inherit all the gold.
(I got over 200k gold from the Order of the Holy Sepulchre this way. They got back up to 200k again in less than 100 years.)
(2) Seriously oversized retinues:
--- You always inherit all of your dynastic viceroys' retinues, so you can quickly build up a retinue that's FAR above your limit.
--- The cost of an oversized retinue isn't a problem because also you're continually inheriting your dynastic viceroys' gold.
--- The only disadvantage is that it drains your personal levies to keep your retinue filled up.
Other minor issues:
--- Stacks of 10+ holy relics, each giving you 0.2 piety per month.
--- Stacks of Jewish debt - but they can ALL be cleared by ONE payment of 350 from the intrigue menu.
--- Inherited courtiers include a lot of unlanded characters of your dynasty - you have to manually choose guardians/spouses/etc for all of them. (Very tedious.)
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