[2.3.4] (RYEW) Decadent dynasty members become undecadent immediatly after they became decadent

[Prestian]

My character converted from Judaism to Sunni via the "convert to local religion" decision. I also demanded conversion of most close dynasty members and other people at court. When a dynasty member becomes decadent now, he immediatly loses the trait, without me needing them to straighten up.

I own and run all major DLC except Charlemagne and Way of Life. I'm not using any mods at the moment.

 

[aitaituo]

Are they your courtiers or direct vassals? Every dynast can ask the kinsmen below them to straighten up, so if they are a courtier in the court of a kinsman or have a kinsman liege, that would be a WAD explanation. If they are your courtiers or direct vassals, it may be some kind of bug.

 

[Prestian]

It definitely happened also with courtiers, as my unlanded heir was one of them.

 

[rageair]

Do you have a savegame where this is happening? It sounds really odd - I can't see anything in the events that would cause this.

Thanks for the report.

 

[grisamentum]

This is probably just some unconverted member of his dynasty asking people to straighten up. I can't imagine there is actually a bug here. As he says he demanded conversion of "most close dynasty" members so obviously there are some that are not converted.

 

[Prestian]

Do you have a savegame where this is happening? It sounds really odd - I can't see anything in the events that would cause this.

Thanks for the report.

Yes, an ironman save game. What's the best way to upload it?

This is probably just some unconverted member of his dynasty asking people to straighten up. I can't imagine there is actually a bug here. As he says he demanded conversion of "most close dynasty" members so obviously there are some that are not converted.

It's strange though, the straightening up happens one day after they become decadent.
I once asked my son to straighten up, but he straightened up before he gave his 'official' answer.

 

[wildcat_paris]

I also got this issue with family members in my own court (3 empires and counting).

Even with courtier or vassals even baron, count or duc.

I usually pause the game as soon as I get the message of a dynasty member becoming decadent (to know if it is my courtier or a vassal barony, count or duc style).

Then I display the character and the decadent trait as already been removed, I double check with the religion tab and see nothing. I don't have any option to negociate or any message from my vassal telling me the courtier, baron, count or duc telling me the person is kafir to emprison them.

=> I read in a CK2 wiki that dynasty members having a title equal and/or over Count title should not become decadent. Alas it happens from time to time.

My work arounds to avoid the decadence trait:

1/ in order to lower the dynasty members to get the trait, I force them to marry 3 or 4 wifes, it seems to lessen decadence trait occurence.

2/ I have granted a Jew a King title, when possible, I ask family members to be educated by Jews in my realm, so they become Jewish and never become decadent at all.

BUT all of these work around are consuming a lot of my time, especialy in the middle of a crusade!

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As stated in a previous post, at the opposite side, I sometimes never get any message from a dynasty member vassal (count, duc, king) telling the familly member is decadent and now kafir allowing me to emprison them at no tyranny penalty cost.

(once, the family member was part of the council of Count (in my dynasty) but the count better leave the decadent member than firing him from the council)

I once had a decadent duc, I have tried to emprison him and failed, he moved at the court of one king in my realm (king not from my dynasty), I was forced to emprison him again getting another penalty for being tyrannic.