2.3.4 Norse banner for Ummayads

[Rams]

Hi, I'm having an issue where the Ummayads seem to use the Norse banners/emblems. So far I've tried reinstalling the game and deleting Crusader Kings directory in my documents. I'm running a mac.

http://tw.greywool.com/i/PW4sO.png

Would love some help with this, thanks.

 

[Rams]

bump

 

[PeterSkager]

I can't reproduce the issue in our internal build on mac and without more information it's hard to pinpoint any cause since it's most likely a tech support issue. Just if you haven't been informed, it's appreciated if threads aren't bumped unless we've specifically replied that something will be fixed at a specified point in time when it hasn't. But thanks for the report!

 

[Leo_Boon]

Do you mean that the dynasty flag uses a Norse banner? (Specifically, black bolt on a circular white background?) I just thought that was the default Umayyad flag, for some reason. During my game as them I changed it to a more "traditional" Muslim flag, but I didn't think it was a bug.

 

[Rams]

Sorry, Peter. Would you suggest I ask the question in tech support?

@Leo_Boon Yup, that's a Norse dynasty flag. And Muslims use the dynasty flag for their primary title flag. Can I ask how you changed their flag, through modding or the customizer, cause I don't own the customizer. If

 

[Leo_Boon]

The customiser. I was baffled too by the fact that the Umayyads seem to use a Norse banner, but there it was.

 

[aitaituo]

I thought they were supposed to, since they were pagans originally and several famous dynasties with pagan progenitors use pagan CoAs.

 

[Rams]

It feels super out of place, especially considering that the art is inspired by Nordic paganism.

 

[PeterSkager]

No problem Rams. It wouldn't hurt to see if anyone has similar issues in tech support since we in the QA team actually haven't had this problem. I tried it on both mac and PC again in release now and I still don't get the issue, so @aitaituo and @Leo_Boon do you know of anything that might be out of the ordinary in your setups? Any modifications or specific OS? The closest known issue to this occurred around the release of Charlemagne where both the Ummayad and Abbasid empires had faulty graphics if I remember correctly.

 

[aitaituo]

Actually, I realize that I hadn't looked at the Umayyad CoA in a very long time and it's currently displaying correctly as a randomized Muslim CoA. I do remember it having the round Pagan lightning bolt CoA for a long time, though, maybe even before CM.

 

[Leo_Boon]

Nope, I run on Windows 8 and no mods or custom setups. I have all the non-cosmetic DLC, and as far back as I can remember, the Umayyads have had the lightning bolt as a banner. As I said, I played a game as them and changed it with the customiser after a century or two of gameplay because it was a bit jarring. Out of curiosity, what is it supposed to be by default?

 

[PeterSkager]

Actually this took quite a turn of events. I had completely forgot that the updated coat of arms for the Ummayads and the Abbasids are part of the "dynasty shields charlemagne" pack and without it the problem does indeed occur. Sorry for taking so long to figure out, but I'll inform the programmers and we'll see if this can be fixed now Thanks for the reports everyone.

 

[Rams]

Awesome, thanks!

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Update: fixed, see post #16
Update2: Intentional (!?), see post #17

Actually this took quite a turn of events. I had completely forgot that the updated coat of arms for the Ummayads and the Abbasids are part of the "dynasty shields charlemagne" pack and without it the problem does indeed occur. Sorry for taking so long to figure out, but I'll inform the programmers and we'll see if this can be fixed now Thanks for the reports everyone.

Would be nice if this could be fixed, so that we don't get COAs outside the religious group.

Flash for the Umayyads (in 2.3.6 for instance) was one thing ( possible to ignore, but cool), the norse falcon in 2.4.x (currently 2.4.3Beta) is another.

...and the abbasids COA is also different.


I would prefer to make the decision to buy it without this.
Thanks

Info: I have all first three COA DLCs.

 

[SBolshevik]

You could fix it by adding Arab paganism.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Update: probably intentional, see next post

Holla , it's a pretty obvious bug, assuming this is not intended and one doesn't miss it...as i did first.


2.3.4Beta

00_dynasties.txt

597=
{
    name="Umayyad"
    culture="egyptian_arabic"
    religion="pagan"
    coat_of_arms=
    {
        data=
        {
0 2 0 1 0 0 0             }
        religion="sunni"
    }
}

Change pagan to sunni and it's done.


The Abbasids (bedouin_arabic) is probably on purpose.
Don't know.
Well it looks alright.
Only different from 2.3.6.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Wait, is the falcon intentional ?

I searched for "falcon" and "umayyad" and found several links which mentioned something as this:

"Abd a-Rahman I (Arabic: عبد الرحمن الداخل; known as "the Immigrant", also the "Falcon of Andalus" or "The Falcon of the Quraish"; 731 788) was the founder of the Umayyad Emirate of Córdoba (755), a Muslim dynasty that ruled the greater part of Iberia for nearly three centuries (including the succeeding Caliphate of Córdoba)."


No bug, but intention based on his nickname then ?

Ooops.

Sorry then.
You could have told us. We are grown ups. We can take the truth.

edit:
Suddenly i think we had this discussion earlier. Hmmm....probably as it looks soo norse and wasn't in the patch notes.
edit2:
Okay, it's WAD, but not by my reasoning. See:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-42-ajjw-strange-umayyad-coat-of-arms.874854/

edited for anyone who might find this thread searching on the issue.