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All the DLCs I own (as show below my avatar) are active (+Way of Life). No mods at all.

The succession of the Roman Empire seem to be bugged.
I hold two titles of any note; the Roman Empire and the Kingdom of Lombardy. Both titles have High Crown Authority, both titles are Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture.

My Emperor have four sons, none of them were Born in the Purple. While my eldest son were heir, his own son were shown to be second in the line of succession (to all titles). However, when the eldest son died, things went iffy. The Kingdom of Lombardy still adhered to the regular Primogeniture rules, and the Grandson became Heir. However, for the Empire, my second son became heir instead. He was not born in the purple, so there's really no reason for that - giving my grandson the Despot title didn't make him heir either.

(Slightly less relevant: the succession line seems odd too. My second son became heir, second in line is my third son, but third in line is the grandson, not the fourth son. I have no idea why that is.)

It seems like the Roman Empire Primogeniture only applies to first generation, e.g. my rulers' children. Grandchildren seem to not be considered unless their parent is alive, which means they can never be heir. That certainly seems bugged since then you can't trust Primogeniture to actually act like Primogeniture when there's no Born in the Purple children.

I've encountered this earlier too, but didn't think to post about it then, but this certainly seems like a bug (and an easy to reproduce one as well). Just be Emperor of the Roman Empire, have at least two sons not born in the purple, have the eldest have a son of his own and then die.

Edit: Added screenshot. However, the Kingdom of Lombardy don't show as I gave it out as a Viceroyalty to avoid losing it. The Empire succession issue is shown quite clearly though.

Edit2: I even now noticed on the screenshot... Weird that Sigibuld's son's aren't ahead of his brother and his nephew in the succession. Something is very very weird. :p
 

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Yeah, it's the same save. Same thing happened after patch now as happened before patch (see screenshot). 2.3.4 FMNO

Clearly, "Primogeniture" when it comes to Roman Empire completely ignores grandchildren of dead children. Even if there is no Born in the Purple kids. That doesn't match normal Primogeniture behaviour.
 

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To clarify, you should provide a save game. Trying to decipher whats going on from screenshots is difficult.
 

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I think it's very straightforward tbh. For the Roman Empire, Primogeniture is restricted to direct children, regardless of whether any of them are Born in the Purple. As per both the cases shown above - my Emperor have had several sons before he became Emperor, none after. First, everything is fine, since eldest son is heir, and he get a son, who then becomes second in line of succession. The problem is if the heir dies before the Emperor - as no sons are Born in the Purple, Primogeniture should make it so the deceased eldest son's son becomes heir. But it doesn't. Instead it excludes the grandson and makes the second son heir. That isn't reasonable behaviour when the Born in the Purple trait is not present on any involved character.
 

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Also ehr, how do you even attach a save game? When I try to click "Upload a file" I get:

The following error occurred
The uploaded file does not have an allowed extension.

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If the save game extension isn't an allowed extension to upload, then... what o.o
 

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Also ehr, how do you even attach a save game? When I try to click "Upload a file" I get:

The following error occurred
The uploaded file does not have an allowed extension.

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If the save game extension isn't an allowed extension to upload, then... what o.o
Could you compress the file?
 

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The problem indeed could be with Born in Purple for ERE.

Algorithm to define heir in ERE is hard-coded and is definitely different from the general one (even having with the same name). That difference might even be if there are no Born in Purple children - like if devs changed the general algorithm at some point yet forgot to modify the same part in ERE.

If it is confirmed I would call it bug.
 

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RAR is not allowed. ZIP is allowed.
Doesn't work either. The restrictions on uploads seem fairly arbitrary in my opinion...

Anyhow. http://www.filedropper.com/ironmanlombardy2
There it is, hopefully some dev will have a look and tell me whether it's WAD or bug. IMO it's clearly a bug since if there are no Born in the Purple children, it should adhere to the active succession law, which it doesn't.
 

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So, I hope the save game helps, but my thread also seem to get suspiciously ignored when all other threads on first page get a reply. :( Is it really that tricky an issue or... or... what?

*Jirki88 has gained the Paranoia trait*
 

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Please refrain from thread bumping. We do not ignore threads, but try to do them in an orderly manner. Sometimes, this means that some threads might take a a day or so extra before being answered. We don't to it to be mean, just to try and cover as much ground as possible. :)

As for your issue. I would expect it to behave the same as any other Primogeniture title, so it's most likely some issue there. I loaded up your save and can clearly see the problem. I also managed to reproduce the same behavior with the Byzantine Empire in a fresh save. So it's not your save game at least. I'll file a bug report of the issue and will have to check it out with Doomdark.

Cheers for reporting!
 
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