2.3.3 DAQH - Not all county claims appear with SoA

[Masterdindin]

Playing as the Byzantines, I took over Croatia by pressing a claim. The Hospitallers have castles there and in Sicily, as well as some provinces outside just outside of Croatia. Now for some reason when I try to press the claims for Croatian counties, they simply don't appear when I go into the interaction menu to declare war. Mousing over the barons who are vassals of the Hospitallers in Croatia, it says that I have a valid CB and everything. The ones outside of Croatia do appear and are pressable, however. When I deactivate Sons of Abraham, all baronies, including the ones I couldn't press previously, are claimable. An additional fact, the Hospitaller leader has his one barony inside dejure Croatia, but doesn't hold any counties, kingdoms, duchies etc. just that barony as well as a few of his vassals.

Obviously this is quite problematic for me since the particular duchy is required for me to restore the Roman Empire. I can toggle the DLC and then declare war, though that's tedious and immersion breaking, and I'd look for another fix to this issue before doing that.

 

[Servancour]

If you have SoA, you should have access to a new decision in the Intrigue tab, called "Expel [holy order]". For example, "Expel the Teutonic Order". Using this decision should give you all of their baronies within your realm. The decision is supposed to replace the need of declaring war on them.

Hope that helps!

 

[Masterdindin]

I don't have this option. I've seen it before as a Catholic, but my Emperor is Orthodox and the order is Catholic. I think these orders may have gotten these castles before I took the land in question. But no, this option isn't available to me as an Orthodox in SoA, even though i clearly do have these holy orders in my realm. So I have no way of taking certain counties unless I become Catholic/turn off SoA and take over these holdings one at a time

 

[grisamentum]

If you have SoA, you should have access to a new decision in the Intrigue tab, called "Expel [holy order]". For example, "Expel the Teutonic Order". Using this decision should give you all of their baronies within your realm. The decision is supposed to replace the need of declaring war on them.

Hope that helps!

Sigh. Check the decisions; I've highlighted the relevant part in bold:

	expel_the_knights_hospitaler = {
		potential = {
			ai = no
			[b]OR = {
				religion = catholic
				religion = cathar
				religion = fraticelli
				religion = waldensian
				religion = lollard
			}[/b]
			is_heretic = no
			higher_tier_than = DUKE
			independent = yes
			is_title_active = d_knights_hospitaler
			NOT = { has_character_modifier = expelled_d_knights_hospitaler }
			
			any_realm_province = {
				any_province_lord = {
					d_knights_hospitaler = {
						holder_scope = {
							OR = {
								character = PREVPREV
								is_vassal_or_below = PREVPREV
							}
						}
					}
				}
			}
			
			has_dlc = "Sons of Abraham"
		}
		
		allow = {
			piety = 1000
		}
		
		effect = {
			piety = -1000
			
			religion_authority = {
				modifier = holy_order_expelled
				years = 20
			}
			
			hidden_tooltip = {
				d_knights_hospitaler = {
					holder_scope = {
						character_event = {
							id = SoA.1060
						}
					}
				}
				add_character_modifier = {
					name = expelled_d_knights_hospitaler
					duration = -1
					inherit = yes
				}
			}
		}
		
		revoke_allowed = {
			always = no
		}
		
		ai_will_do = {
			factor = 0
		}
	}

All the holy orders are the same: only their own religion (and its heresies) can expel them. Orthodox can expel a holy order ONLY if it's the Holy Sepulchre. Only Catholic and Catholic heresies can expel the Hospitalers.

You guys consistently create loopholes like this and it's extremely frustrating. Best option for OP is to convert to Catholicism (or a heresy), expel the Hospitalers, and then convert back to Orthodox.

 

[Servancour]

@grisamentum
I know how the decision works. I missed the part where he specified the Hospitaler.

As for trying to get a hold of baronies of another religion's holy order. This is something I have taken up with the dev team in the past and would like to see changed. As it kind of makes certain achievements a lot more troublesome to obtain (restoring the Roman Empire being one of them). But as of now, this is WAD.