[2.3.3 DAHQ] Cultural title & Viceroyalty

[Jirki88]

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It's probably not exactly a bug, but I don't think it should work this way.

I held the Kingdom of Lombardy, which is a cultural title - due to succession issues described in another thread, I handed it out as a Viceroyalty to a vassal duchess in de jure Lombardy. So far so good.
The problem is that somehow, the King of Sicily could claim the title, and he was Greek. And since he won that war, the "Since a Lombard no longer holds the title blah blah" event popped. This despite the title is a temporary viceroyalty and me (heir to it as his liege) was a Lombard. Not to mention only three provinces (Corsica, Arborea, Cagliari) was Italian.

I can't help but feel that it's broken that the title changes like that - especially as there's no way to revert back after it have happened. Frankly, a cultural title should look at the culture of the heir and the amount (percentage) of provinces in its' de jure territory that is that culture, before it decides the title is no longer that culture.

'Cause it sure don't seem fair that I lose my cultural title (since Kingdom of Lombardy became Kingdom of Italy) because a vassal King managed to conquer the viceroyalty title, while 90% of the de jure kingdom were still Lombard, and me as heir to the viceroyalty as well as liege to the guy, were still Lombard.

 

[Kljunas]

imo the main problem is that these cultural names aren't revertible. All these events should work both ways. But yeah it would also make sense to check both the holder and the top liege before firing the event.

 

[NewbieOne]

That's an interesting problem. I'm a bit on the fence here. On the one hand, I understand where you're coming from. On the other hand, Lombardy clearly has a king that's not Lombard for the time being, right? Viceroys aren't hereditary, but they are still lifetimers. They could theoretically rule for 50 years or so.

One of the problems here is that the game is not clear as to whether viceroys are closer to governors/magistrates or to non-hereditary ad personam kings.

The best example of ad personam non-hereditary kings is Vratislaus II of Bohemia (it still took like 200 years to get the crown to become hereditary and guaranteed for every ruler).

A more gubernatorial/strictly viceregal position would be the Ban of Croatia.

Neither of them were as short-lived as Viceroys of India or even Exarchs of Ravenna.

 

[Kljunas]

That's an interesting problem. I'm a bit on the fence here. On the one hand, I understand where you're coming from. On the other hand, Lombardy clearly has a king that's not Lombard for the time being, right? Viceroys aren't hereditary, but they are still lifetimers. They could theoretically rule for 50 years or so.

One of the problems here is that the game is not clear as to whether viceroys are closer to governors/magistrates or to non-hereditary ad personam kings.

The best example of ad personam non-hereditary kings is Vratislaus II of Bohemia (it still took like 200 years to get the crown to become hereditary and guaranteed for every ruler).

A more gubernatorial/strictly viceregal position would be the Ban of Croatia.

Neither of them were as short-lived as Viceroys of India or even Exarchs of Ravenna.

Still I think we can at least all agree that if a Lombard becomes king of Italy, an event should fire to change the name back to Lombardy.