2.3.2. Gaining viceroyalty title resets your succession law in "lower tier" lands

[mim1983]

Hello,

It was my second approach to the game within the Bizantine Empire and I still find some absurd / bug which make it unplayable.

So I'm starting as a count, collecting more and more counties. Obviously, I change my succession laws as soon as I can (to seniority, let's say), so all my lands go to one successor.

However, as soon as I become a duke (strategos) - which is a viceroyalty title - my succession laws on the "county level" change automatically to gavelkind and there is no way I can modify them (my primary title is duke and I can't change sucession laws because it is viceroyalty). So now, after my death, not only that I loose duke title (which is obviously fair enough - it goes back to the emperor), but also all my counties get split between my children and I virtually loose everything that I worked for during the entire game.

Is it only my impression, or is it absurd...? I mean - I understand the whole idea of viceroyalty titles, which reflect the centralized authority of emperors, but becoming a viceroy should not mess up the rules of succession in "my own" demesne (my own family lands).

Perhaps it should be still possible to decide on the succession laws on the "lower tier" (i.e. county) after you get the "higher" viceroylaty title (i.e. duchy)...? Or at least these rules should not be automatically resetted after you become viceroy.

I have all DLCs and I don't use any mods.

 

[Rationalsanity]

Viceroys are bugged right now. The liege gets their entire court and cash stockpile when they die, leading to absurdly bloated courts and rich lieges.

 

[mim1983]

I see... well, I thought it was supposed to be a historical game - but presently it is total science fiction.

You shouldn't loose your own lands, as well as money only because in some point of the game you get higher viceroyalty title from emperor. It is completely insane.

I understand they wanted to get it more historical by introducing viceroys, but the result is quite opposite. If you can't get it right, then maybe just don't do it...

 

[mim1983]

Any chance for any comment...? Or have I done something wrong...?

 

[Servancour]

We know there is some issues with how succession are handled whenever you also have a viceroyalty title. Problem is, we're not entirely sure of how to best solve the issue. The handling of titles can get quite messy when you start to poke around in the code.

So we are aware of it and have the issue on our radar. But won't most likely have a fix for it in the near future. Sorry for that.

 

[Jorlem]

We know there is some issues with how succession are handled whenever you also have a viceroyalty title. Problem is, we're not entirely sure of how to best solve the issue. The handling of titles can get quite messy when you start to poke around in the code.

So we are aware of it and have the issue on our radar. But won't most likely have a fix for it in the near future. Sorry for that.

Maybe make Viceroyalties work similarly to bishoprics, in that the liege can appoint the successor ahead of time?

 

[mim1983]

Well... maybe all that is needed is to admit that the game was much more playable and historical before and simply remove it...?

For me, it is no longer possible to play in Bizantine Empire. There are "suprises" everywere. Another time - my character was a strategos (duke) and he died during the war he was waging against his neighbour. After his death, my next character was not appointed strategos (the title was taken by emperor). The war became invalid, however, the army raised during the war (from my lands) simply shifted to Emperor's command and he used it in his own war. What is best - IT WAS STILL ON MY PAYROLL and I couldn't disband it. Just lovely. It seems that emeror can inherit your troops as well - at your cost.