2.2 Transcendent Learning is USELESS

[Aov7.NATREZIM]

In path 2.2 Ascension perk Transcendent Learning is TOTALY USELESS
let's see:
- we have starting max 5 level cap leaders
- we have tradition Discovery: +1 ALL Leaders level cap, +2 Scientist level cap
now we have 8 lvl cap for Scientist and 6 other leaders
- we have tradition Supremacy: +2 Admiral level cap
- we have tradition Domination: +2 Ruler level cap, +2 Governor level cap
now we have 8 lvl cap for all leaders except useless general (sorry, bro)
- we have Policies Capacity Boosters +2 lvl cap
- ???
- profit! we have 10 lvl cap(max) without Ascension perk or pop traits, or ruler traits
Paradox, BALANCE THIS MESS!
SRLY tradition Discovery +3 lvl cap!!!

 

[hangry]

I have noticed that too, it has become useless. Not subpar or weak .. it's really utterly useless. You don't even need capacity boosters, there is one (or maybe two) normal society techs that increase the level cap by +1.

 

[Bezborg]

A lot of APs are terribly inadequate in the new 2.2 concept...

I thought APs are a way to “specialize”/steer your entire civilization and government towards certain all-encompassing paradigms, and thus should be a sort of game-changers. Or game-adjusters if you will.

Currently APs are either HUGE or really tiny and under the radar. Imbalanced and uninspired

 

[Anemetius]

I never pick this garbage.

 

[ffsffs1]

Just make it an immediate +1 level on all leaders imo.

 

[Bezborg]

What it should do is unlock unique tech. Make your civilization diverge on a “strange” (in relation to others in the galaxy) tech path...

 

[Lordban]

For the price of an AP, I'd make all existing and future leaders level up to the Empire's cap for their leader type. No extra levels from the perk, just perma-maxed out leaders.

 

[Aov7.NATREZIM]

Just make it an immediate +1 level on all leaders imo.

maybe nerf discovery +1 starting lvl not+3 lvl cap
and AP +1 starting lvl and -25%-50%(?) cost?
or something

 

[ffsffs1]

For the price of an AP, I'd make all existing and future leaders level up to the Empire's cap for their leader type. No extra levels from the perk, just perma-maxed out leaders.

That's ridiculously overpowered lol. With a cap of 10, you're basically looking at a perk that is gives:

+50% edict duration
+50% unity
+20% resource production
+20% research speed
+10% assist research output
+100% survey speed
+30% fire rate
+50% army damage

So basically executive vigor, one vision, synthetic ascension, technological ascendancy, plus a bunch of other stuff rolled into one perk.

 

[Lordban]

That's ridiculously overpowered lol. With a cap of 10, you're basically looking at a perk that is gives:

+50% edict duration
+50% unity
+20% resource production
+20% research speed
+10% assist research output
+100% survey speed
+30% fire rate
+50% army damage

So basically executive vigor, one vision, synthetic ascension, technological ascendancy, plus a bunch of other stuff.

... I didn't do the maths Fair enough.

 

[hangry]

Maybe it could increase the starting level of new leaders and exp gain.

 

[Aov7.NATREZIM]

Maybe it could increase the starting level of new leaders and exp gain.

maybe, why not

 

[ffsffs1]

Maybe it could increase the starting level of new leaders and exp gain.

A big boost to EXP gain would be pretty neat. The problem with leader cap level increases is actually being able to level up your leaders to the max. For example, without any boosts to EXP gain it takes a ruler 271 years to reach level 10. A perk granting large bonuses to EXP gain would definitely fill a niche.

 

[Zagreb 887]

Yes XP process is become very slow with admirals, One admiral of mine was here since years 2350, participating 3 wars with others empires, fought the Unbbiden an the Grey Tempest, before dying in 2450...still lvl 1... This damned guy close the Dimensional Portal!!!

 

[Lamey]

I feel like this could be solved by added a general bonus to having a cap "over" 10. Maybe any bonus that brings the leader cap above 10 adds +10% experience gain instead.

I mean, I would still never take that perk because that perk is garbage - but there are plenty of other things that make the leader cap of 10 very easy to hit. (domination tree, discovery tree, various civics, the racial trait, random ruler traits.)

Could also just eliminate the meta level cap. Then again - most leader types just don't gain xp fast enough that raising level cap really matters. The only ones I see actually reach the cap with any frequency are scientists.

My first ruler lived to age 190 with a +25% to xp gain and still never got to level 10. At the very least the +level cap traits in domination tree should also give +25% xp to the relevant leader types.

An alternative idea for that perk: Increases level cap by 1 and +10% xp gain AND when a leader dies they automatically spawn a "protege" of half their level. The protege is weighted to generate similar traits (though not guaranteed)

 

[Promethian]

Level cap increases used to be leaders start with a higher level. They could add that again to the ascension. Limited to one source and making it a pretty heavy trade off it wouldn't be quite as broken as before.

 

[AmpsterMan]

Capacity booster causes issues with the egalitarian faction, so that might be a reason. Still, a generalized exp gain boost (+100%) and a starting level 3 would be my pick.

 

[Peter34]

Maybe it could increase the starting level of new leaders and exp gain.

Once upon a time, Leaders could sometimes start with skill 2, or even 3.

Then they changed that. But back then, the hard cap on skill level was 5. Later the hard cap was raised to 10, but they never brought back the option of having Leaders "born" with a starting skill higher than 1.

I'm not super invested in the issue, though, since I use a mod that raises the hard cap to 20. But I do agree that Discovery now boosts the Skill Cap too much. They can tone it down. Likewise, they can boost Transcendent Learning by making it increase the Leader Pool by 2 more Leaders! Make it count!

Heck, they can boost it further by causing each Leader to refresh after 8.5 years instead of 10. Or even after 7 years!

 

[Peter34]

Yes XP process is become very slow with admirals, One admiral of mine was here since years 2350, participating 3 wars with others empires, fought the Unbbiden an the Grey Tempest, before dying in 2450...still lvl 1... This damned guy close the Dimensional Portal!!!

Transcendent Learning could include the effect that each month each Leader gets 10 XP, modified by whatever Traits he has personally and the ones his Species has. That'd be helpful for military Leaders in particular, that they slowly level up.

I used to have a mod, in my mod pack, that gave monthly XP to all Leaders, but it didn't take any Traits or modifiers into account, and ultimately I removed it, because it favoured a certain play style (hiring military Leaders early, and beelining for +Lifespan), which happened to be mine, so it felt wrong.

But it could work very well in the vanilla game, as someting that you "opt into" via an Ascension Perk.

 

[Aov7.NATREZIM]

well we need something
maybe 20 lvl cap?)