... And even later (esp. Istria).
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Those two are part of Friuli, the same the later kings of Italy came from.
So Maybe it's time to split d_Carinthia into two duchies or put these two counties under Friuli, like they should be?
To be honest, I wonder how your researchers & co. managed to miss this — Friuli was more or less another name for Aquileia, which exists in the game in a rump form (although yes, the old Lombard d_Friuli existed before the Patriarchate). Uh.
The March => Patriarchate of Aquileia was part of Italy until Otto I. It was only from 952 that it was ruled by Dukes of Bavaria, hence the Bavarian connection. From 976 by Dukes of Carinthia in personal union (meaning two separate titles) with d_Carinthia.
Istria had a more complicated history, but it was also part of Friuli and followed the same fate.
Please no kidding about the supposed existence of any gameplay-based reason for this sort of situation — if Bavaria is supposed to put pressure on the region, then script it to fabricate claims and THEN push them, they don't need de iure claims for that.
Even in history files, Aquileia — in addition to being Lombard-cultured — has been ruled by Lombards all the time, same for Istria. The de iure claim is as bad a joke as Holy Roman Day One De Iure War Over Gent. Not sure why you should want Bavaria to go there anyway, considering that it didn't — only in 952 did the King of Germany give some of these lands to the Dukes of Bavaria after subjugating the Kings of Italy. k_Bavaria has other things to do, other enemies to go after. (k_Bavaria can't really defeat k_Italy, but revolts are another matter.)
Just make the later large de facto Carinthia (1066-1070's) a grand duchy with d_Carinthia as the primary title.
The maximum expansion of the territory ruled by Dukes of Carinthia was a combination of multiple titles held by the dukes, not just one big Carinthia, and forget any de iure amalgamation into d_Carinthia itself.
This really needs fixing.
As far as I can tell, Istria was not rules by the Dukes of Carinthia at any time the game can start. The dates could be like between 952 (Otto I's invasion) and 1040 (spinoff) at best.
Generally please stop all these shenanigans with de iure map/borders being used as expansion pointers for the AI. It just doesn't work.
(Map)
Those two are part of Friuli, the same the later kings of Italy came from.
So Maybe it's time to split d_Carinthia into two duchies or put these two counties under Friuli, like they should be?
To be honest, I wonder how your researchers & co. managed to miss this — Friuli was more or less another name for Aquileia, which exists in the game in a rump form (although yes, the old Lombard d_Friuli existed before the Patriarchate). Uh.
The March => Patriarchate of Aquileia was part of Italy until Otto I. It was only from 952 that it was ruled by Dukes of Bavaria, hence the Bavarian connection. From 976 by Dukes of Carinthia in personal union (meaning two separate titles) with d_Carinthia.
Istria had a more complicated history, but it was also part of Friuli and followed the same fate.
Please no kidding about the supposed existence of any gameplay-based reason for this sort of situation — if Bavaria is supposed to put pressure on the region, then script it to fabricate claims and THEN push them, they don't need de iure claims for that.
Even in history files, Aquileia — in addition to being Lombard-cultured — has been ruled by Lombards all the time, same for Istria. The de iure claim is as bad a joke as Holy Roman Day One De Iure War Over Gent. Not sure why you should want Bavaria to go there anyway, considering that it didn't — only in 952 did the King of Germany give some of these lands to the Dukes of Bavaria after subjugating the Kings of Italy. k_Bavaria has other things to do, other enemies to go after. (k_Bavaria can't really defeat k_Italy, but revolts are another matter.)
Just make the later large de facto Carinthia (1066-1070's) a grand duchy with d_Carinthia as the primary title.
The maximum expansion of the territory ruled by Dukes of Carinthia was a combination of multiple titles held by the dukes, not just one big Carinthia, and forget any de iure amalgamation into d_Carinthia itself.
This really needs fixing.
As far as I can tell, Istria was not rules by the Dukes of Carinthia at any time the game can start. The dates could be like between 952 (Otto I's invasion) and 1040 (spinoff) at best.
Generally please stop all these shenanigans with de iure map/borders being used as expansion pointers for the AI. It just doesn't work.
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