[2.2.0.5] A doges' dynasty holdings stay with the republic when losing election

[Aardvark Bellay]

A doges' dynasty loses an election and any holding it owns directly stays with the republic, instead of the patrician dynasty.
The problem seems to be, that any holdings of the doge don't go to his dynasty in the first place and thus stay with the republic.

Easily reproducible:

1. Start as doge
2. Build holding (through cash cheat and adding stewardship skill to your steward up to 90 -> build holding in one day with overseer job)
3. Kill yourself
4. New holding stays with the republic/new doge

Also happened to me without using the console commands in a regular game.

Also mentioned earlier here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-Possible-republic-bug-with-barony-succession

edit:
Can't imagine that it matters, but regarding DLCs: All except the new ones that came with 2.2/Charlemagne.

 

[erwi8891]

Had the same problem but only with baronies in the Doge capital, duchies, counties and baronies elsewhere stay with the family. It seems to take all the de jure titles of the capital and give them to the new Doge.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Had the same problem but only with baronies in the Doge capital, duchies, counties and baronies elsewhere stay with the family. It seems to take all the de jure titles of the capital and give them to the new Doge.

Might be its only if you own a second holding in the capital or somesuch. Got a game over somehow inmy last game: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...2.2.0.5-Gameover-for-patrician-when-doge-dies

 

[Groogy]

Any baronies in the capital will be transferred with the doge title, that is working as designed.
However I am more worried if you can lose titles in any other circumstances as you don't make that particularly clear, since think you mentioned in the beta thread that you eventually game over'ed.


Edit: Did a quick test, the City of Murano built in Venezia was lost to the Republic, while the City of Trieste I had seized in Istra were kept by my family. This is the intended behavior, are you saying you are getting some different kind of result or are you doing something completely different?

 

[dsh3091]

Any baronies in the capital will be transferred with the doge title, that is working as designed.
However I am more worried if you can lose titles in any other circumstances as you don't make that particularly clear, since think you mentioned in the beta thread that you eventually game over'ed.


Edit: Did a quick test, the City of Murano built in Venezia was lost to the Republic, while the City of Trieste I had seized in Istra were kept by my family. This is the intended behavior, are you saying you are getting some different kind of result or are you doing something completely different?

This has been changed from pre-2.2.0.0 then. Before DLC, you could build in capital and keep that city as your own when your character died. Only cities and titles that transferred were the original ones.

This is the reason why there has been multiple reports on this from 2.2.0.1 to 2.2.0.5, as this situation was not the same pre-2.2.0.0

Cities outside of capital are WAD. Those stay with the family. The issue was with the capital.

 

[Talq]

NB ABs initial report didn't make clear it was just the capital - as read it implies all your holdings (whether in the capital or not) go with the republic.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Any baronies in the capital will be transferred with the doge title, that is working as designed.
However I am more worried if you can lose titles in any other circumstances as you don't make that particularly clear, since think you mentioned in the beta thread that you eventually game over'ed.

Edit: Did a quick test, the City of Murano built in Venezia was lost to the Republic, while the City of Trieste I had seized in Istra were kept by my family. This is the intended behavior, are you saying you are getting some different kind of result or are you doing something completely different?

This has been changed from pre-2.2.0.0 then. Before DLC, you could build in capital and keep that city as your own when your character died. Only cities and titles that transferred were the original ones.

This is the reason why there has been multiple reports on this from 2.2.0.1 to 2.2.0.5, as this situation was not the same pre-2.2.0.0

Cities outside of capital are WAD. Those stay with the family. The issue was with the capital.

This.
Groogy, it's not working as designed or you guys changed that with 2.2 without telling us. You could always keep the cities in the capital.
Any patricians dynasty used to keep its holdings build in a capital. Try it in 2.1.6. I did check that before i reported it.
It might make sense, yes, but it was never the case before. So if that was actually a bug since TheRepublics release, then you could have told us that you fixed it.

However I am more worried if you can lose titles in any other circumstances as you don't make that particularly clear, since think you mentioned in the beta thread that you eventually game over'ed.

Well seems to be the case.
Here is my 'game overed' bug report: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...2.2.0.5-Gameover-for-patrician-when-doge-dies

I lost my last title (the patrician status), even though i only had a palace before and there was no war against Venice.
Basically, i was a patrican family, the doge died, another patrician inherited and i got a game over.
I had no holdings, only the palace, while the doge, besides Venice and the town of Ancona, also held Murano in the province of Venice which my dynasty had build when i was doge earlier..

NB ABs initial report didn't make clear it was just the capital - as read it implies all your holdings (whether in the capital or not) go with the republic.

Well if you immediately want to build a holding as a default doge, then you can only build in your capital county (aside from Pisa).
That should be obvious.

As dsh3091 says, the holdings in other counties stay with your dynasty. That you can test with Pisa.

 

[Groogy]

Groogy, it's not working as designed

You are telling me what is working as designed? :happy:
As for why it is not in patch notes could be because its shadowed by a fix (that causes this behavior as a side effect and we decided to keep it) But who knows we might go back to the good old thing but for now this stays.

Well if you immediately want to build a holding as a default doge, then you can only build in your capital county (aside from Pisa).
That should be obvious.

Some praise me as Zun the Justice Bringer himself, but I do not read minds. Which is also one of the primary reason why I, other developers and QA have to constantly ask for further information or clarification. You never in any of your posts until right now in this thread mention you were playing as Venice in the 769 - 1066 span of time and had only one province to improve, the only information you gave was "republics broken".

From the beta thread:

Here:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...s-stay-with-the-republic-when-losing-election

Take any doge. Pisa in 1066 or Venice or..doesn't seem to matter. Easily reproducible as mentioned in the report.

If you want more info, please ask, as i don't really know what could matter.
I only started some quick fresh games on this patch to check exactly this and tried it the way i describe it in the report.

Anyway will have a look at the game over.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

You are telling me what is working as designed? :happy:
As for why it is not in patch notes could be because its shadowed by a fix (that causes this behavior as a side effect and we decided to keep it) But who knows we might go back to the good old thing but for now this stays.

Designed as in game concept and mechanics, not coding.
I wrote it as such to simply catch your attention, especially as you seem to code other games as well, which i guess makes it hard to keep an overview of mechanics.

It was never the case before and as the LoR DLC was released two years (!) ago, then that doesn't look like designed at all.
It's obviously caused by something in 2.2.
If something is changed accidently and the dev team likes it, it would be nice to tell your audience that buys your games/DLCs.

Some praise me as Zun the Justice Bringer himself, but I do not read minds. Which is also one of the primary reason why I, other developers and QA have to constantly ask for further information or clarification. You never in any of your posts until right now in this thread mention you were playing as Venice in the 769 - 1066 span of time and had only one province to improve, ...

Well, that wasn't directed at you, but it's true that it is possible for Pisa and Genoa in 1066 especially to build in their vassals' country.
My first game where i had experienced it and where i had tested after repeatedly was in 1066, so after testing republics in 867 and experiencing the same i assumed it not to matter which startdate.
The problem was, that i made a mistake in my description.
I said 'any holding' in my first post, true and my fault, sorry :blush:,
but in my second post i said:

Might be its only if you own a second holding in the capital

I presumed ( ) that one would build first in the capital province and that it was obvious from my second post that this was the case in my experience with it,
but i should have probably edited the first post to make that clear.
I explained it in the other bug report regarding the game-over to which i linked in my second post.

Anyway will have a look at the game over.

Please, if you keep that issue of this thread as it is, please make it offical in a patch release thread or somesuch.

Thanks.

 

[Groogy]

Please, if you keep that issue of this thread as it is, please make it offical in a patch release thread or somesuch.

Thanks.

It might be changed back but I'll decide that after fixing the game over bug, that's more important.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

It might be changed back but I'll decide that after fixing the game over bug, that's more important.

Okay, i'll try to get a save file for you and PM it.

 

[Hecaton]

*Screws up* "I meant to do that."

 

[Donelloth]

Programming is called computer science because coding is unpredictable. I suspect data collected from vassal's going independent when revolt titles were introduced has something to do with why elective gavel-kind causes your kids to break free as an intended function on succession.

Its not: "I meant to do that."

Its: "Oh shit!... Wait. That's kind of cool... yes... I can use this..."