[2.1] Civic Trait Elimination

[evilcat]

Day 3
Agrarian Idyll 10
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 11
Citizen Service 14
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 13
Exalted Priesthood 4
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 10
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 26
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 10
Police State 4 (- 2)
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 15
Mechanist 18
Syncretic Evolution 14 (+1)
Post-Apocalyptic 8
Barbaric Despoilers 6

Syncretic Evolution +1, slaves good, goos slaves from start better
Police State -2, pirates and happines never really a problem.

 

[Bobylein]

Someone sneakily added Driven Assimilator to the list. Removing that.

Goddamnit, I hoped it would fly

But why though? It's single handely the best civic in game

 

[Lord Beyer XVII]

Agrarian Idyll 10
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 11
Citizen Service 14
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 13
Exalted Priesthood 4
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 8(- 2)
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 26
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 10
Police State 4
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 16(+1)
Mechanist 18
Syncretic Evolution 14
Post-Apocalyptic 8
Barbaric Despoilers 6

Purge all xenos! (I hope I do not have to explain the huge bonuses, that Fanatic Purifier gives)
Imperial cult is only good for role-playing the Emperor of Mankind, so following the game rules it receives a downvote

 

[bunkerman]

Agrarian Idyll 11 (+1)
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 11
Citizen Service 14
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 13
Exalted Priesthood 4
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 8
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 26
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 10
Police State 2 (-2)
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 16
Mechanist 18
Syncretic Evolution 14
Post-Apocalyptic 8
Barbaric Despoilers 6

unity from farms is great reducing unrest is easy enough without wasting a civic slot and piracy risk is even less of a concern

 

[Little Red]

Agrarian Idyll 11
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 11
Citizen Service 15 (+1)
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 13
Exalted Priesthood 4
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 8
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 26
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 10
Police State 0 (-2)
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 16
Mechanist 18
Syncretic Evolution 14
Post-Apocalyptic 8
Barbaric Despoilers 6

Service guarantees citizenship. We have no need for an overbearing tyrannical state.
(Naval cap is great, the -25 unrest reduction is mediocre and overshadowed by strongholds.)

 

[Cry_Havok]

Agrarian Idyll 11
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12 (+1)
Citizen Service 14
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 13
Exalted Priesthood 2 (-2)
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 8
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 26
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 10
Police State 2
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 16
Mechanist 18
Syncretic Evolution 14
Post-Apocalyptic 8
Barbaric Despoilers 6

Downing Exalted Priesthood because if you need governing ethics attraction and you are spiritualist you're doing it wrong.

Beacon of Liberty is /fantastic/, extra unity is always useful, either for getting your just ranked ascension perks faster, or keeping those unity ambitions up and running

 

[Shermanator]

Agrarian Idyll 11
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 14
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 13
Exalted Priesthood 2
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 8
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 26
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 10
Police State 2
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 16
Mechanist 19 (+1)
Syncretic Evolution 14
Post-Apocalyptic 6 (-2)
Barbaric Despoilers 6

I'm a big fan of mechanist, as it gives you a boost on productiongrowth and a small boost on research, (two techs) two things I'm a fan of, I've found it to be pretty useful in my games. It also allows you to build robots before much of your planets fill up with pops and lock them out.

PostApocalpytic is cool from a role play standpoint, but from a mechanical one, tomb worldn't are very good planets, and finding them is rare. 10+ lifespan isn't terrible but not amazing either. The only thing that I could see this being strong is if you combine it with fanatic purifiers.

 

[AlanC9]

The only thing vassals are good for is integrating, and if you wanted their stuff you could have just taken their stuff.

Well, there is another use case for vassalization. When you're chasing planets for a victory condition, it's nice to get a bunch that you don't have to actually slog through invading.

 

[Ancillary]

Since no one else has noted it: Police State is now eliminated, the last two votes notwithstanding.

 

[C.N.]

Since no one else has noted it: Police State is now eliminated, the last two votes notwithstanding.

To add the other part of the skipped vote, Citizen Service should be 15.

 

[Siri]

Fixing Police State and Citizen Service votes

Agrarian Idyll 11
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 15
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 14 (+1)
Exalted Priesthood 2
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 8
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 26
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 10
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 14 (-2)
Mechanist 19
Syncretic Evolution 14
Post-Apocalyptic 6
Barbaric Despoilers 6

Rather than going after what I feel is objectively the best and worst this time, I am going after the ones I feel are the most underrated and most overrated at this point. Environmentalists is one of very few mineral options (at least if you don't want to be a slaver), and while not supreme it deserves a bit more than it currently has. Fanatical Purifiers provides very strong bonuses, but the drawbacks are huge, at least in non-MP games. Being ganged up on, especially if you set other empires to a point where they are a challenge for you (unless you're good enough that GA and all advanced starts provides no challenge at all) is a pretty big deal. Even if you can fend it off it damages your economy to have to divert resources to war rather than development. Not getting bonuses from enclaves is also a fairly big deal. Trading with AI empires, a feature I find most people terribly underutilise, also makes a massive difference. Just trading for communications and then selling your now superior comms to other empires in exchange for theirs, and some extra resources makes a big difference early. As does the influence boom you get from finding all other empires. And that's just one aspect of beneficial trading that FP misses out on.
Their bonuses are great, and they are fun to play, but people vastly underestimate the penalties that comes with the civic.

Glad we are on the same page.

Not at all what I said, but whatever.

 

[Doctor Bones]

Agrarian Idyll 12 (+1)
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 15
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 14
Exalted Priesthood 2
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 6 (-2)
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 26
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 10
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 14
Mechanist 19
Syncretic Evolution 14
Post-Apocalyptic 6
Barbaric Despoilers 6

While it needs you to be pacifist, it does help give a lot of early game unity. It does also combine pretty well with inward perfection for a non-spiritualist unity build.

 

[Iron Spirit]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 15
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 14
Exalted Priesthood 0 (-2) Eliminated
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 6
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 26
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 10
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 15 (+1)
Mechanist 19
Syncretic Evolution 14
Post-Apocalyptic 6
Barbaric Despoilers 6

'Literally' useless Exalted Craphood eliminated. Upvoting FP again, because some are down voting it when there clearly is far worse to down vote.

 

[Doctor Bones]

@Iron Spirit It seems I posted just a couple of seconds before you. Can you edit your post to reflect this?

It is done!

 

[Iron Spirit]

@Iron Spirit It seems I posted just a couple of seconds before you. Can you edit your post to reflect this?

I immediately saw you post as I placed mine and edited it, hit refresh

 

[Enska]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 15
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 14
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 6
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 27 (+1)
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 8 (-2)
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 15
Mechanist 19
Syncretic Evolution 14
Post-Apocalyptic 6
Barbaric Despoilers 6

Mining guilds, because didn't vote it previously.

Philosopher king is truly the meh tier: I don't value ruler skill level cap enough to waste a civic.

I can't quite see why it has higher score than imperial cult. Maybe because the latter comes from some event and is thus a personal object of hate for some people.

 

[Cat_Fuzz]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 15
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 5
Environmentalist 14
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 6
Inward Perfection 17
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 27
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 8
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 15
Mechanist 19
Syncretic Evolution 15 (+1)
Post-Apocalyptic 6
Barbaric Despoilers 4 (-2)

+ Syncretic because of its diversity

- BD because it's a wasted civic slot

 

[C.N.]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 15
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 3 (-2)
Environmentalist 14
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 6
Inward Perfection 18 (+1)
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 27
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 8
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 15
Mechanist 19
Syncretic Evolution 15
Post-Apocalyptic 6
Barbaric Despoilers 4

 

[D Inqu]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 15
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 1 (-2)
Environmentalist 14
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 6
Inward Perfection 18
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 27
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 8
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 14
Fanatic Purifiers 15
Mechanist 19
Syncretic Evolution 15
Post-Apocalyptic 7 (+1)
Barbaric Despoilers 4

How in the galaxy is EB still not eliminated? It's a pick that literally gives nothing at all. Post apocalyptic is a very strong pick as it gives you the ability to freely colonise tomb world from day 1 (which other organics cannot until late-game). The leader lifespan bonuse is a nice little bonus to top it off.

 

[Livigy]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 15
Corporate Dominion 16
Cutthroat Politics 15
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 1
Environmentalist 14
Feudal Society 10
Functional Architecture 10
Idealistic Foundation 10
Imperial Cult 6
Inward Perfection 18
Meritocracy 13
Mining Guilds 27
Nationalistic Zeal 4
Parliamentary System 14
Philosopher King 8
Shadow Council 10 (-2)
Slaver Guilds 15
Technocracy 15 (+1)
Fanatic Purifiers 15
Mechanist 19
Syncretic Evolution 15
Post-Apocalyptic 7
Barbaric Despoilers 4