[2.1] Civic Trait Elimination

[Mastikator]

DISCLAIMER: This is for 2.1 Niven, disregard other versions, it makes no sense to mix

To continue to ease the wait for MegaCorporatios and the changes they will bring, and in light of the fun we all had with the Ascension Perk Elimination thread, I thought I might blatantly rip it off and do a Civic trait elimination.

The same rules apply:
You may vote once per day
Each vote must upvote one civic +1 and downvote another civic -2

You upvote what you think is best and downvote what you think is worst.

"Best" at accomplishing the two following criteria:
Achieving Victory
Defeating the end-game crisis
(game assumes default settings)

All civics start with 12 points, when a civic gets 0 or less it is eliminated and can't be upvoted again.
(they start with less because there are more civics)

All the civics and what they do

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 12
Corporate Dominion 12
Corvée System 12
Cutthroat Politics 12
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 12
Environmentalis 12
Exalted Priesthood 12
Feudal Society 12
Free Haven 12
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 12
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 12
Nationalistic Zeal 12
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 12
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocrac 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanis 12
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 12

This list does not include Gestalt Conciousness civics because they do not compete with non-gestalt civics, and it would be too long.

Order of elimination

1 Mechanist
2 Mining Guilds
3 Parliamentary System
4 Corporate Dominion
5 Inward Perfection
6 Slaver Guild
7 Citizen Service
8 Syncretic Evolution
9 Agrarian Idyll
10 Fanatical Purifiers
11 Cutthroat Politics
12 Meritocracy
13 Beacon Of Liberty
14 Functional Architecture
15 Distinguished Admiralty
16 Aristocratic Elite
17 Environmentalist
18 Technocracy
19 Imperial Cult
20 Post-Apocalyptic
21 Idealistic Foundation
22 Nationalistic Zeal
23 Barbaric Despoiler
24 Shadow Council
25 Feudal Society
26 Philosopher King
27 Efficient Bureaucracy
28 Exalted Priesthood
29 Police State
30 Corvée System
31 Free Haven
32 Warrior Culture
33 Life-Seeded

 

[WhiteKyubey]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 12
Corporate Dominion 13(+1)
Corvée System 12
Cutthroat Politics 12
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 10(-2)
Environmentalis 12
Exalted Priesthood 12
Feudal Society 12
Free Haven 12
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 12
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 12
Nationalistic Zeal 12
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 12
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocrac 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanist 12
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 12

The best thing about Corporate Dominion that you can fully use all it early game benefits, get your free tech unlocks and switch it later for better late game civic.
- Start the game with building trade starbases with better energy production and space trading tech unlocked
- Build privite colony ships for energy, build starbases for minerals, when others have to choose/wait
Core sector thing is not needed at all in 2.1, so no need for Efficient Bureaucracy.

And all orange stuff is just my bet on worst civics!

 

[Ancillary]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 12
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 12
Cutthroat Politics 13(+1)
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 10
Environmentalis 12
Exalted Priesthood 10(-2)
Feudal Society 12
Free Haven 12
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 12
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 12
Nationalistic Zeal 12
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 12
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocrac 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanis 12
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 12

The amount of unity Cutthroat Politics saves you in the late game is unreal when firing ambitions.

If you're already Spiritualist, you have all the ethics attraction you need before wasting a civic on Exalted Priesthood.

 

[metalosse]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 12
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 12
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 10
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 12
Free Haven 10 (-2)
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 12
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 12
Nationalistic Zeal 12
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 12
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocrac 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanist 12
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 13 (+1)

Free haven is...

I don't even know how it is. Migration mechanics are so obscure that you can't even know how good it is supposed to be.

Barbaric despoilers gives the adaptability tree, that is definitely worth a civic, and restricts less than FP or IP.

 

[Ancillary]

@metalosse Er, did you mean to knock those points off Free Haven, not Feudal Society?

 

[Enriak]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 12
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10(-2)
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 10
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 12
Free Haven 10
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13(+1)
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 12
Nationalistic Zeal 12
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 12
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocracy 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanist 12
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 13

Inward Perfection gives you a large amount of unity and makes it easy to grow your pops.

Corvée System is useless, because the amount of energy it costs to resettle you pops is lower than your monthly energy and instead of taking this civic you could wait one month.
(late game)

 

[evilcat]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 12
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 10
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 12
Free Haven 10
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13 +1
Nationalistic Zeal 10 -2
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 12
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocracy 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanist 12
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 13

Meme guilds, minerals good
Nationalist Zeal, not essencial

 

[metalosse]

@metalosse Er, did you mean to knock those points off Free Haven, not Feudal Society?

Woops, my bad.

 

[Retry]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 13 +1
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 10
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 12
Free Haven 8 -2
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 12
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocracy 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanist 12
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 13

I'm not entirely certain what good immigration pull is for in the current build. In theory I guess it could increase your growth, but it's very difficult to tell the actual contribution.

Citizen Service though, it's clear what you get: A nice, solid 15% increase to your ship cap. I must say, one of the most straightfoward, non-game changing civis (like Inward Perfection or Fanatical Purifier is) available.

 

[Commodus]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 11 (+1)
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 12
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13 +1
Nationalistic Zeal 10 -2
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 12 (-2)
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocracy 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanist 12
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 13

 

[klopkr]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 11
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 13 (+1)
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12 b
Philosopher King 12
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocracy 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanist 12
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11 (-2)

Barbaric Despoilers have the exact same problem as nihilistic acquisition plus everyone hates you from the start and it effects AI personality. It would easily be my favourite if the whole mechanic wasn't broken.

Feudal Society is also a broken mechanic but there are weird although complicated ways to make it almost viable. The hard part is dealing with your vassals being nerfed to the ground and blocking off your expansion.

 

[James Fire]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 11
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 13
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 10
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12 (-2)
Technocracy 12
Fanatic Purifiers 12
Mechanist 13 (+1)
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11

Warrior culture affects armies, which are kinda meh.

Mechanist gives you extra starting techs, robots, and the robot upkeep decrease.

Looks like @Commodus didn't add his Philospher king votes. I've done so.

 

[Methone]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 9(-2)
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 13
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 10
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 12
Technocracy 12
Fanatic Purifiers 13 (+1)
Mechanist 13
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11

I'm actually going to vote for Purifiers, because it simply makes you SO powerful; as long as you have even a single neighbor to pounce on early, you can just run away with the game. Beat the crisis? You are the crisis.

Compared to EB, which is garbage.

 

[serpentskirt]

You guys have not subtracted points from philosopher king and warrior culture. The former was fixed in the post above, the latter I gladly fix myself.

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 9
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 11 (-2)
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 10
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 10
Technocracy 13 (+1)
Fanatic Purifiers 13
Mechanist 13
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 12
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11

Technocracy allows for cool beeline possibilities so it gets a plus from me.

Feudal Society just does not work being blocked by domination traditions. I've tried several attempts on early vassal games and all of them were terrible. For RP only.

 

[ffsffs1]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 12
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 11
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 11
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 10
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 12
Warrior Culture 10
Technocracy 13
Fanatic Purifiers 14 (+1)
Mechanist 13
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 10 (-2)
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11

Purifiers has a total war CB which will let you reach victory faster than any other civic on here.

Life-seeded is probably more bad than good - especially at achieving victory and/or defeating crisis.

 

[Tyrannical Prince]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 10 (-2)
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 11
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 11
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 10
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 13 (+1)
Warrior Culture 10
Technocracy 13
Fanatic Purifiers 14
Mechanist 13
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 10
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11

I don't think I've ever actually used Beacon of Liberty. Slave Guilds is just great if you intend to go with slaves.

 

[D Inqu]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 10
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 11
Environmentalist 13 (+1)
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 11
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 10
Police State 10 (-2)
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 13
Warrior Culture 10
Technocracy 13
Fanatic Purifiers 14
Mechanist 13
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 10
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11

Enviromentalist is straight-up more minerals, whatever your playstyle, from day 1, regardless of mining tiles/pops.
By contrast police state doesn't give much. Pirates are a very minor annoyance and past the first 20 years, the risk drops to effectively zero. And there are plenty more ways to deal with unrest.

 

[Bobylein]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 10
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 11
Environmentalist 13
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 11
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 14 (+1)
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 10
Police State 10
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 13
Warrior Culture 10
Technocracy 13
Fanatic Purifiers 14
Mechanist 13
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 8 (-2)
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11

More Mins = more dakka
Life Seeded is kinda fun but you are fucked.

 

[Archon87]

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 11 (+1)
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 11
Environmentalist 12
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 11
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 13
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 10
Police State 12
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 13
Warrior Culture 8 (-2)
Technocracy 13
Fanatic Purifiers 14
Mechanist 13
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 10
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11

Beacon of Liberty is one of the few civics that increases unity gain. The only other non-gestalt one is Inward Perfection, which changes your playstyle dramatically. It's incredibly handy to have if you aren't going tall, since it helps compensate for the unity/territory imbalance.

Warrior culture is pretty lackluster, really. Army damage isn't exactly hard to come by, and can be easily stacked beyond what you actually need without this civic. The only cool thing about this civic is the fact that it changes the flavor text for your government type. RP only.

 

[Vonuggbin]

Bobbylein seems to have flipped the votes and downvoted 1 point while upvoting with two points and the vote above is missing the two last voters points. I fixed that

Agrarian Idyll 12
Aristocratic Elite 12
Beacon of Liberty 11
Citizen Service 13
Corporate Dominion 13
Corvée System 10
Cutthroat Politics 13
Distinguished Admiralty 12
Efficient Bureaucracy 11
Environmentalist 13
Exalted Priesthood 10
Feudal Society 11
Free Haven 8
Functional Architecture 12
Idealistic Foundation 12
Imperial Cult 12
Inward Perfection 13
Meritocracy 12
Mining Guilds 15 (+1)
Nationalistic Zeal 10
Parliamentary System 12
Philosopher King 10
Police State 10
Shadow Council 12
Slaver Guilds 13
Warrior Culture 8
Technocracy 13
Fanatic Purifiers 14
Mechanist 13
Syncretic Evolution 12
Life-Seeded 6 (-2)
Post-Apocalyptic 12
Barbaric Despoilers 11

No matter what your build is mining guilds is always good

Life-Seeded is flavourful and fun, but not at all useful