2.1.4 A king is vassal to my king

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This has happened twice in my 2.1.4 game (not iron man but not modded).

I don't remember the exact details of the first occasion, but the most recent one I do.

I was the King of Ireland, and my heir was born to a now-deceased woman. My current wife was the Queen of Lotharingia. When I died and my son inherited, the Queen became a vassal to the new me. My new King has no claim on Lotharingia, so not sure why this would happen.

The prior time in this same game it happened it involved the Queen of Galicia becoming my vassal on my death. The Queen was married to my prior King and in that instance her heir was also my heir so I wasn't too concerned with it.

On the map, Lotharingia does not show up as part of Ireland. But on the direct vassal overlay it behaves like it's part of my kingdom (for other kingdoms I can see which areas are held by Dukes - Aquitaine and other non-vassal kingdoms - but all of Lotharingia shows up as a block - while the Queen does not control directly all provinces).

I do have the option of revoking her title (and the game implies she would agree - for some reason).

She does not show up on my list of vassals on my character page nor on the military page (the page with vassals, mercenaries and holy orders tabs).

Has this happened/been reported before? First game I've seen it.

 

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Looking into this a little more.

She has no vassals. Zero is the number listed on her vassal page. Going to some of the people who are supposed to be her vassals, they show her as their liege on their man character page.

For example - she holds the duchy of Upper Lorraine and 2 of the counties (Lorraine and Saintois). The count of Bar is not listed on her vassal page at all, but she is shown as his liege on his character page. However, he has no vassals either, even though he shows up as the liege on the character page of the mayor of Commercy and the bishop of Saint-Dizier.

One of her vassals before this happened (she owned all of de jure Lotharingia and a few other duchies in de jure Burgundy) is the duke of Alsace. He currenty shows as having no vassals and no liege (even though the map has Alsace colored as part of Lotharingia). And the count of Nordgau shows as having no vassals or liege as well.

I gave her independence and advanced about a month to see if something would change (either things magically fix themselves or a lot of independent areas come into existence) but nothing changed.

I'm at a loss trying to figure out how her kingdom broke with the death of her husband (who was not of her dynasty nor part of her kingdom in any way - and they did not share heirs or claims).

I think I'm mostly frustrated at not having a single game "work" since ROI came out (either ironman breaking or strange bugs like this).

 

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Ok a bit more testing.

I went to the newest autosave with my older ruler alive. She is in a war against the King of Burgundy for Upper Burgundy. However, he is also in a war defending against a revolt to lower crown authority.

If I use the console to kill myself, the war is suddenly over (well both wars), and the Queen of Lotharingia becomes a vassal of my new King. However there is an icon on my King's page (where wars are listed - my diplomacy screen) that has no tooltip.

If I reload and console switch to her, console neg_diplo, and offer white peace to the King of Burgundy, and switch to him and accept, then switch back to "me" and kill myself, she keeps her vassals, but is still my new king's vassal. But what's worse is when I grant her independence, I get the pop up that I granted her independence, but it doesn't actually work. No matter how many times I grant her independence, she's still my vassal. But at least she has her own vassals. She even has the vassal king malus...

Now it turns out that the leader of the Burgundian revolt was occupying most of Upper Burgundy, but also defending against a vassal of Aquitaine for some of the revolting lands (Savoy to be specific). Thinking it was a chain of revolt title issues, I surrendered (as that vassal in Aquitaine) to the revolt king of Burgundy, then surrendered as the revolt king to the rightful king, then surrendered as the King of Burgundy to the Queen of Lotharingia, then let a month pass and console killed myself. She's still my new King's vassal (but now has her own vassals).

I was really hoping it was a bad temp revolt title bug (as those are pretty prolific).

Looking at the last save before I die, she's listed as her own host and employer, so I can't figure out why she lands in my court and as my vassal when I die.

 

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Last reply and I'm finally done.

I was only able to fix this by using a save from before my first King died and removing them as being married to each other (removing the spouse= line for each character entry).

I hope someone from Paradox reads this and can figure out why it happened (and fix it).

 

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I've seen some occasions when this happens, doesn't seem to be very common though. Cheers for posting the updates. Do you have a save available from which you are able to reproduce the steps so that you get a king-tier character become a vassal to another? If you have, it would be great if you could upload that save, so that we can reproduce it ourselves.