Just set smaller goals first. I finished my first WC one month ago, tried only 1 time 2 years ago, but played EUIV since release and I did many less challenging achievements.
1st Serious WC Attempt Failed. Pointers for Ottoderp WC Needed.
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@Robert de Bruce - I'm usually pretty good with an Ottoman economy, this is just a completely different play style so that even reading advice on Ottoman WC it is still a big adjustment. One problem is probably just my way of thinking that borders and expansion needs to be neat, though I've been working on that.
For a more concrete question, I switched Coptic on a ref run just to see how to do it. I can see how 10% CCR stacked on Ottoman idea and Admin can be huge, but does 2.5% Disc and the manpower recovery outweighs 10% morale from pius Sunni?
Which is why I'm breaking the habit. Whole point of all the achievements I've been trying out lately is to improve my gameplay.
Hm, when you are usually good with Otto eco, keep it like this, get to late game and then start expanding hard. That is nearly all about a WC. You do not need a different style for a WC.
No, going west to that extent was not planned at all. I did want to unify Islam whenever I could, but after tearing up Maghrebi a bit to manage coalitions (Sunni world hated me, I was going all-in AE on them and keeping other groups < 50) it was one of those situations where Castile had no allies and ~10 regiments due to a bad war.
If it's going to be offered on a platter like that you might as well take it
.There are players out there (and in this thread) who are significantly better than me too, the important thing is to think about what different choices you can make to match or surpass.
Also, you don't need this kind of progress just for world conquest. I was going for Sunni one faith (IE all provinces in the world Sunni) + being the only nation existing in the old world, no vassals.
Do attempts, make + find mistakes, correct for them.
No, Sunni is the better combat faith. If you're going Coptic, you're doing it for the 10% core cost, possibility of PUs (not a big deal but can help some runs), and becoming HRE emperor if you get the Westphalia outcome in 30 years war. Troop quality isn't too important late game though.
Coptic route loses the Ottoman government. In the long run you can probably save more points with the 10% core cost reduction (that also speeds up coring so it's helpful) but for the early going's before you can perma-100 prestige not having the choice of 3 heirs per disinherit is noticeable. Coptic, Sunni, and Catholic Ottomans can all hit world conquest much easier than most other nations though.
As for neat borders, that usually sorts itself out when you're the only nation on the board, which is faster when you gut out all those annoying forts ASAP
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@TheMeInTeam : i understand totally. in my current Otto run i just took out Naples in 1480 for the same reason. Just thought you might have some special reason. Your posts were often for me the most helpful I found.for example for A Sun god or Kuban Cigars.
Just thought you might have some special reason. Your posts were often for me the most helpful I found.for example for A Sun god or Kuban Cigars.
Meh, playing the PU game, never mind getting HRE while trying for my first WC is beyond me. I'll just stay Sunni and improve current strat.
Looking at OP I suggest to play more and train. Seems it's too early for WC runs. How many hours have you played in EU4?
~1300 hours. Only the last few hundred hours on Ironman though. Don't learn much when you can savescum like a motherfucker.
Are you maximizing absolutism? You can max it out really quickly as the Ottomans by conquering regions you can put trade companies in. Just immediately lower autonomy in every province you conquer, then use harsh treatment when they are about to rebel. Spend your splendor on the 50% harsh treatment cost as soon as you can.
Also, you can transfer trade from your vassals in the subject interaction screen. That increases liberty desire, but when you need to move trade, it's worth it.
Are you playing with low or high piety?
Also, you can transfer trade from your vassals in the subject interaction screen. That increases liberty desire, but when you need to move trade, it's worth it.
Are you playing with low or high piety?
Not going to learn unless I do. Achieve I'm most proud of so far is Italian Ambition due to having to overcome a unified Spain with Naples integrated. That took me a few goes.
@Big Bad France - trying to keep it high, but I'll take a hit if it costs me the 25 Admin or gold when I'm paying off a loan.
You make more money with low piety, and with humanist ideas, you don't really need to convert anything. Plus, the tech bonus helps since it's hard to adopt some of the institutions. I prefer making piety as low as I can possibly get it early in the game, then later in the game when I have tons of money anyway, I increase piety for the morale bonus.
I had Humanist as my 4th idea, and only got about halfway in. Conversions helped fill the gap to that point, and by Age of Reformation I was using it to farm prestige to pay down LD on Persia and Golden Horde.
You can make Persia a march to keep liberty desire down. Their ideas are pretty good for it, plus you can send them officers for an extra 20% morale and 5% discipline, and even less liberty desire. I think you would make more money that way by taking all of their trade than in your previous game where you just took a portion of their tax income as a vassal. Also, don't turn historic rivals into vassals. You usually get an event to make Crimea a march. Just feed the golden horde land to them.
Once I force vassalize them via Subjugation CB, I turned them into a vassal and integrated them the moment it was available to start cutting Muscovy off from Siberia. But yeah, not going to vassalize GH again. I also force vassalized Circassia and fed them Georgian and Shirvan to let them d al with ICC shit land.
I think you should continue to WC.
Don't get demotivated from being slow, but don't be content either. Realize that your current speed is unacceptable and that things like coalitions and beautiful borders should not exist.
Sidenote: I slightly disagree with TMIT regarding Russia. I know it's a relic from the past, but I've seen people on the current patch switching back to it because - as mentioned earlier - they colonize all that worthless steppe land to the point where every war against them now takes 2 years instead of 1 (travel time) and you get at least 1, maybe even 2 additional wars against them if you allow them to expand.
Friend of mine recently did his first WC and followed the standard path 'cept in addition to it he snaked his way north in a straigth line just to cut them off.
Stopped bothering with them immediately afterwards obviously, but it did save him some time in the long run.
As for your WC run, the golden rule is: Fail until you get it.
There's a ton of things to learn and you should absolutely focus on basics. Religion switching etc. can come later. For now you need to start with truce cycling, idea groups, mapping, economy, warfare and AE managment.
I recently did a cathoman run and you really need to have more than ~2k dev at that point of the game.
Take note that I have 4 wars going on at the same time. That's the kind of speed you want to have once imperialism hits.
Might be a bit too much during your early game (I'm still not using the Imperialism cb, no need to overdo it), but it gives you an image of the speed you should aspire to have.
Don't get demotivated from being slow, but don't be content either. Realize that your current speed is unacceptable and that things like coalitions and beautiful borders should not exist.
Sidenote: I slightly disagree with TMIT regarding Russia. I know it's a relic from the past, but I've seen people on the current patch switching back to it because - as mentioned earlier - they colonize all that worthless steppe land to the point where every war against them now takes 2 years instead of 1 (travel time) and you get at least 1, maybe even 2 additional wars against them if you allow them to expand.
Friend of mine recently did his first WC and followed the standard path 'cept in addition to it he snaked his way north in a straigth line just to cut them off.
Stopped bothering with them immediately afterwards obviously, but it did save him some time in the long run.
As for your WC run, the golden rule is: Fail until you get it.
There's a ton of things to learn and you should absolutely focus on basics. Religion switching etc. can come later. For now you need to start with truce cycling, idea groups, mapping, economy, warfare and AE managment.
I recently did a cathoman run and you really need to have more than ~2k dev at that point of the game.
Take note that I have 4 wars going on at the same time. That's the kind of speed you want to have once imperialism hits.
Might be a bit too much during your early game (I'm still not using the Imperialism cb, no need to overdo it), but it gives you an image of the speed you should aspire to have.