1989 - Turning Point

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Now we have the leader now we need the members.

Now tall us what members it will be from START!

All right all right.
First, yeah, we all think that hitler was a idiot. Nazism is bullshit. German people now know that, so if you can't go back 70 years to kill him, hurry forget about him for a while.
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The leader is Egypt then.
Jordan / Lebanon / Lybia / Argelia / Tunisia are good for start, right?

 

[Hax]

Right then other muslim countrys will get a event if they want to join the AL every year.

Right?

 

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Right then other muslim countrys will get a event if they want to join the AL every year.

Right?

Yep. A question:
Does someone knows how to change the name of a nation? I must change WG and EG to their original names.

 

[Hax]

That text file with the tag you change the name.
World file or something the name is.

 

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OH DAMN what much text!
Nice

Egypt had the best army in Arab Leauge or was it Transjordania?

I read that the Isrealic forces could not beat the Jordian coprs in the wars.

The Jordanians did very well in 1948, with one of the main problems being the Egyptians, not wanting to admit they had been totally routed by the Israelis and were withdrawing towards the Sinai, told them that they were ready to advance into southern Palestine.

The Jordanians were advised by the Egyptians to advance and prepare to link up with advancing Egyptian forces. Jordanian forces left relatively good positions, weakened their forces in key areas, and made an effort to link up with Egyptian forces that were nowhere to be found.

The Egyptians were about 200-300 miles from where they said there were, running for their lives. Consequently, everything that the Jordanians had achieved they lost, due in no small part to the bogus reports of victory and far-sweeping advances made by Egypt's senior commanders.

At the time of the first Arab-Israeli war, in 1948, the Jordanians had the best officer corps of any of the warring nations/parties. They didn't keep this advantage much beyond that first war.

 

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That text file with the tag you change the name.
World file or something the name is.

Thanks Hax!

 

[Hax]

Jordania will have the best forces in Arab Leauge.
About nukes, what muslim countrys had nukes 1986?
Pakistan?

 

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All right all right.
First, yeah, we all think that hitler was a idiot. Nazism is bullshit. German people now know that, so if you can't go back 70 years to kill him, hurry forget about him for a while.
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The leader is Egypt then.
Jordan / Lebanon / Lybia / Argelia / Tunisia are good for start, right?

As of 1986-


Egypt
Iraq
Jordan
Lebanon
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Yemen
Libya
Sudan
Morocco
Tunisia
Kuwait
Algeria
United Arab Emirates
Bahrain
Qatar
Oman
Mauritania
Somalia
Palestine
Djibouti


I would say remove Iraq for obvious reasons (war with Iran). I also believe that the odds of Morocco taking part in a war against NATO or the USA are very minimal. If a war were to erupt between the Arab League and NATO or between the Arab League and the USA, it would probably fragment the Arab League.

Kuwait was depending on American naval protection for their oil tankers in the Persian Gulf. Indeed, after repeated Iranian attacks against oil tankers the US utilized air and naval forces to stop the Iranians. Essentially they sank the entire Iranian navy in a single day. They were also letting Kuwaiti tankers sail under the American flag. Note, this was during the Iran-Iraq war, a war in which America had no official involvement. Saudi Arabia was faced with similar issues... I doubt either Kuwait or Saudi Arabia would stick with the Arab League if it meant going to war with NATO or the USA.

 

[Hax]

Egypt
Iraq
Jordan
Lebanon
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Yemen
Libya
Sudan
Morocco
Tunisia
Kuwait
Algeria
United Arab Emirates
Bahrain
Qatar
Oman
Mauritania
Somalia
Palestine
Djibouti

Some countrys is better that they join later.
Like Morrooco and Djibouto.
Is Djibouto muslim?

 

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Jordania will have the best forces in Arab Leauge.
About nukes, what muslim countrys had nukes 1986?
Pakistan?

Pakistan never tested a nuclear weapon until 1998, although they did many tests in regards to weapons systems. Their nuclear program really took off in 1987 when they developed a miniaturized warhead design for use by their air force.

They didn't have enough fissile material for nuclear weapons production until 1986.

By 1987 they had the ability to engage in actual nuclear weapons testing.

 

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Some countrys is better that they join later.
Like Morrooco and Djibouto.
Is Djibouto muslim?

Djibouti is majority Muslim, well over 90 percent.

 

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As of 1986-


Egypt
Iraq
Jordan
Lebanon
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Yemen
Libya
Sudan
Morocco
Tunisia
Kuwait
Algeria
United Arab Emirates
Bahrain
Qatar
Oman
Mauritania
Somalia
Palestine
Djibouti


I would say remove Iraq for obvious reasons (war with Iran). I also believe that the odds of Morocco taking part in a war against NATO or the USA are very minimal. If a war were to erupt between the Arab League and NATO or between the Arab League and the USA, it would probably fragment the Arab League.

Kuwait was depending on American naval protection for their oil tankers in the Persian Gulf. Indeed, after repeated Iranian attacks against oil tankers the US utilized air and naval forces to stop the Iranians. Essentially they sank the entire Iranian navy in a single day. They were also letting Kuwaiti tankers sail under the American flag. Note, this was during the Iran-Iraq war, a war in which America had no official involvement. Saudi Arabia was faced with similar issues... I doubt either Kuwait or Saudi Arabia would stick with the Arab League if it meant going to war with NATO or the USA.

Well Iraq is out and event will be made for Saudi's and Kuweit.
Basically
In a war with USA they will get 2 options

The Americans Helped Us In The Past, This Is Madness
(Leave the currrent military alliance. Some slider shifts to Democracy and Free market.)
Fight Against The Imprealists !
(Triggers an event which gives various bonuses like slider shifts, manpower)

Is that ok ?

 

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Well Iraq is out and event will be made for Saudi's and Kuweit.
Basically
In a war with USA they will get 2 options

The Americans Helped Us In The Past, This Is Madness
(Leave the currrent military alliance. Some slider shifts to Democracy and Free market.)
Fight Against The Imprealists !
(Triggers an event which gives various bonuses like slider shifts, manpower)

Is that ok ?

All right.
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Koev, I listed those nations cause they are the ones who would really fight toguether, and not run away cause US told you so. I geuss we should keep mine list... Is that ok? Cause if no, we will continue with the same discussion for pages.

 

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All right.
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Koev, I listed those nations cause they are the ones who would really fight toguether, and not run away cause US told you so. I geuss we should keep mine list... Is that ok? Cause if no, we will continue with the same discussion for pages.

I'd say Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Algeria (maybe), Tunisia (maybe), and that's about it. Syria would go after Israel if they had the chance... Jordan is pretty much paid a lot of money to do what the USA says, the same with Egypt... At the time Egypt could go either way, Jordan is probably safely in the US camp. If Israel did something crazy such as an open genocide/expulsion of all Palestinians, then all bets are off and I'd count on Jordan and Egypt to mobilize along with Syria and the rest of them.

Definitely include Syria though.

 

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Okay. So can we get the same event for all Arab League nations, possible candidates but with different AI chances. Like Kuweit will get 80 percent chance to pick 'No way' when Egypt gets 80 for 'Go for it'. (Chances are totally expandable)

 

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I'd say Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Algeria (maybe), Tunisia (maybe), and that's about it. Syria would go after Israel if they had the chance... Jordan is pretty much paid a lot of money to do what the USA says, the same with Egypt... At the time Egypt could go either way, Jordan is probably safely in the US camp. If Israel did something crazy such as an open genocide/expulsion of all Palestinians, then all bets are off and I'd count on Jordan and Egypt to mobilize along with Syria and the rest of them.

Definitely include Syria though.

Man... I'm beggining to be mad about middle east. List what you think should be in. I know middle east is a black pond for USA, but I guess some nations should still be rioting.

 

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Man... I'm beggining to be mad about middle east. List what you think should be in. I know middle east is a black pond for USA, but I guess some nations should still be rioting.

There are two main things to consider when thinking about the Middle East. How the leaders act and how the people want them to act. If the masses of Egypt had their way, the leadership of Egypt would be massacred and Egypt would be at war with Israel. The same probably goes for Jordan.

Egypt and Jordan are essentially unpopular regimes propped up with American assistance. Egypt moreso than Jordan.


Syria (won't leave until dead)
Lebanon (same as Syria)
Egypt (has a strong chance of leaving if push-comes to shove and American influence is high)
Libya
Algeria
Tunisia
Palestinians (however you want to represent the Palestinians)
Jordan (has a strong chance of leaving if push-comes to shove and American influence is high)


Syria is the sort of nation that wouldn't quit a war until they're bombed into nothing, maybe not even then.

As of the mid-late 1980s, Egypt and Jordan cannot be counted on by the other Arab states, not in any serious capacity.

 

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There are two main things to consider when thinking about the Middle East. How the leaders act and how the people want them to act. If the masses of Egypt had their way, the leadership of Egypt would be massacred and Egypt would be at war with Israel. The same probably goes for Jordan.

Egypt and Jordan are essentially unpopular regimes propped up with American assistance. Egypt moreso than Jordan.


Syria (won't leave until dead)
Lebanon (same as Syria)
Egypt (has a strong chance of leaving if push-comes to shove and American influence is high)
Libya
Algeria
Tunisia
Palestinians (however you want to represent the Palestinians)
Jordan (has a strong chance of leaving if push-comes to shove and American influence is high)


Syria is the sort of nation that wouldn't quit a war until they're bombed into nothing, maybe not even then.

As of the mid-late 1980s, Egypt and Jordan cannot be counted on by the other Arab states, not in any serious capacity.

All right. So I'll put them but, well, off couse they will bet a lot of dissidence while at war. Is that ok?

QUESTION: CAN WE CHANGE TAGS? LIKE USA => U20?

 

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All right. So I'll put them but, well, off couse they will bet a lot of dissidence while at war. Is that ok?

I'd say if Egypt fails to go to war in support of their Arab neighbors (particularly against Israel) they will suffer huge dissent. The same goes for Jordan, but to a lesser extent. But if they do go to war they lose all American support and all trade deals with NATO nations (aside from perhaps France which seems to be willing to trade with whoever has the cash).

 

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All right. So I'll put them but, well, off couse they will bet a lot of dissidence while at war. Is that ok?

QUESTION: CAN WE CHANGE TAGS? LIKE USA => U20?

Tags? I don't know what that is or how to do it. Are you asking me if it is okay to change tags or if I know how? I have no objection to changing tags, whatever they are and whatever the reasons for the changes happen to be. However, I have no idea what tags are, unless you are referring to the code for the nation.

Changing them wouldn't be my call in terms of authority.

Likewise, changing them wouldn't be my area of technical expertise.

If you're asking permission you're asking the wrong guy. If you're asking if I can technically do it, again, I'm the wrong guy to ask.