1989 - Turning Point

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hahaha just change the hos into hog and hog into hos... wait ill send you the link for the complete ministers of china...

 

[Ce-Kay]

Bundeswehr:

Manpower:370.000active, 90.000 reverves

Armored Forces:
390 Main battle Tanks(Leopard 2A5-2A6)
520 Apc's (Marder, Fuchs)
210 Tank howitzers, Rocket Launcher(Panzerhaubitze2000,M-109A3, Lars2,MARS9
340 Pioneer-Tanks(Büffel, Dachs2)
3570 Vehicles

Air Force:
300 Multi-Role Fighters(F4FII Phantom, Tornado, Mig-29, Eurofighter Typhoon)
460 Helicopters(BO-105, Eurocopter Tiger, UH-1D, Ch-53)
100 Transport Planes(C-160,C-130)

Navy:
15 Frigates
12 Submarines
15 Cannon-Boats+rocket-Platform[Gepard]
20 MIne-searcher

 

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hey sam check this out, chinese ministers....



http://www.scribd.com/doc/12648681/PolPRC

 

[Blut_und_Bier!]

Bundeswehr:

Manpower:370.000active, 90.000 reverves

Armored Forces:
390 Main battle Tanks(Leopard 2A5-2A6)
520 Apc's (Marder, Fuchs)
210 Tank howitzers, Rocket Launcher(Panzerhaubitze2000,M-109A3, Lars2,MARS9
340 Pioneer-Tanks(Büffel, Dachs2)
3570 Vehicles

Air Force:
300 Multi-Role Fighters(F4FII Phantom, Tornado, Mig-29, Eurofighter Typhoon)
460 Helicopters(BO-105, Eurocopter Tiger, UH-1D, Ch-53)
100 Transport Planes(C-160,C-130)

Navy:
15 Frigates
12 Submarines
15 Cannon-Boats+rocket-Platform[Gepard]
20 MIne-searcher

I think that is the structure of the new Bundeswehr after the collaps of the WP. (Heeresstruktur V +). You can see this also by the equipment. At the time of this mod 1986+ there should not be a eurofighter typhoon or a leopard 2a6.
Of course there is the possibility, that new vehicles would be fielded much faster than in history because of the rising tension before the big clash. (As I understand this mod begins in 1986, so thre is time for the buildup.

At the time this mod is about, the structure of the Bundeswehr should be more like the Heeresstruktur IV (1980-1990).

Manpower: Heer 335.000 active + 90.000 reserves mobilisation first wave.

Tank brigades : 17 Leopard 2A4 / some still leopard 2A3 / leopard 1A5.
Mech inf. : 15 Marder 1A2 with MILAN AT missile, Fuchs APC
Tank howitzers M109A3G, MRLS (MARS), LARS,
Bo-105 PAH I with HOT AT missile.

Airborne : 3
Mountain :1
reserves : 6 (not only militia in game terms) Heimatschutzbrigaden

organised in : 12 tank / mech inf. divisions
1 airborne
1 mountain

Luftwaffe : F4FII Phantom ASF. , Tornado TACT. , MRF. , Alpha Jet CAS, Transall transport plane.

At the end of the cold war there were plans to upgrade the leopard 2 to better armor (KWS I, a5 standard) better gun 120 mm L55 KWS II (leopard 2a6) , and later better gun 140mm gun and IFIS KWS III.
The mech inf. would have been upgraded to the marder 2 (as fast as a leopard, heavy armor, heavy gun (35mm or 50mm).

Of course the eurofighter typhoon and the Tiger PAH II helicopter would have been introduced much earlier (1990+).

 

[Hax]

Nice work
Have somebody alrady made the Phillepan minisers?
So i don't need to make twice

 

[igro_bel]

Soviet ministers

Hi,

Here you can download historical soviet ministers. I've incuded some ahistorical, but in future this list need to be updated.

And what about following actions of mine?

I can do OOB - I need information about units

I can do also soviet leaders.

So waiting for orders!

 

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Hi,

Here you can download historical soviet ministers. I've incuded some ahistorical, but in future this list need to be updated.

And what about following actions of mine?

I can do OOB - I need information about units

I can do also soviet leaders.

So waiting for orders!

Thanks bro for your hard work. Well, I guess you can do leaders for soviet union. Also, can you give me some names for techteams? That will help a lot. OOBs aren't able cause we don't have any information about how big the Soviet union army/navy/AF was in 1986. I know it was huge but I need numbers.

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All that info was about germany, wasn't it? If so, I need witch one, West or East. But well, thanks for that work. I'll put your names (Blut_und_Bier! and Ce-Kay) as voluntiers. Would you like to do anithing else for 1989 - Turning point? If so, PM me or post something.
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JurishzteR bro, where you found that?! Shit, can you find any other nation? Cause dude, if we find that, we can now have all cabbinets for all nations! We will be able to end it in 2 weeks or less if everybody work, so CAN YOU FIND THAT?

 

[hebelecan]

Sam did you get the pics i sent you ?

 

[Asalto]

DDR(East Germany) had largest Border guard Troops(Grenztruppen der DDR), approximately 47,000 troops(in 1980' too I believe).
When DDR collapsed this number of weapons was discovered:
767 aircraft (helicopters, fixed wing aircraft), 24 of which were MiG-29s
208 ships
2,761 tanks
133,900 wheeled vehicles
2,199 artillery pieces

NVA(National Volksarmee) had main branches:

The Landstreitkräfte (Ground Forces) with a strength of 120,000.
The Volksmarine (People's Navy) with a strength of 16,300.
The Luftstreitkräfte/Luftverteidigung (Air Forces/Air Defence) with a strength of 39,000.
The Grenztruppen der DDR (Border troops of the GDR), consisting of 50,000 border guards.
In wartime, mobilization of the NVA's reserves would have nearly doubled its strength. GDR authorities also had at their disposal the internal security troops of the Ministry of the Interior (the Kasernierte Volkspolizei or garrisoned People's Police) and the Ministry for State Security (the Felix Dzerzhinsky Watch Regiment) along with the 210,000-member party auxiliary "Combat Groups of the Working Class" (Kampfgruppen der Arbeiterklasse), who were available in times of war.


Those are numbers for NVA from Wiki.

 

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DDR(East Germany) had largest Border guard Troops(Grenztruppen der DDR), approximately 47,000 troops(in 1980' too I believe).
When DDR collapsed this number of weapons was discovered:
767 aircraft (helicopters, fixed wing aircraft), 24 of which were MiG-29s
208 ships
2,761 tanks
133,900 wheeled vehicles
2,199 artillery pieces

NVA(National Volksarmee) had main branches:

The Landstreitkräfte (Ground Forces) with a strength of 120,000.
The Volksmarine (People's Navy) with a strength of 16,300.
The Luftstreitkräfte/Luftverteidigung (Air Forces/Air Defence) with a strength of 39,000.
The Grenztruppen der DDR (Border troops of the GDR), consisting of 50,000 border guards.
In wartime, mobilization of the NVA's reserves would have nearly doubled its strength. GDR authorities also had at their disposal the internal security troops of the Ministry of the Interior (the Kasernierte Volkspolizei or garrisoned People's Police) and the Ministry for State Security (the Felix Dzerzhinsky Watch Regiment) along with the 210,000-member party auxiliary "Combat Groups of the Working Class" (Kampfgruppen der Arbeiterklasse), who were available in times of war.


Those are numbers for NVA from Wiki.

All right, thanks.
Also, I have a question: Wiki doesn't tell us about numbers of divisions, so you just tell me those numbers. How many mans are in a division, so then I can work? If you send me that way, it would be very thankfull.

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Hebe dude, I got all them and replaced some pics (I found some better ones) but not all them. Thanks dude.

 

[Hax]

I think 10.000 soldiers is in a division

 

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i dont know why but searching of Governmetns geting hard i cant find chieff of airforce army navy i dont know why is so little info i have and i am searching in wikipedia

 

[Asalto]

All right, thanks.
Also, I have a question: Wiki doesn't tell us about numbers of divisions, so you just tell me those numbers. How many mans are in a division, so then I can work? If you send me that way, it would be very thankfull.

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Hebe dude, I got all them and replaced some pics (I found some better ones) but not all them. Thanks dude.

I can't find numbers for NVA exclusive but I think all divisions of countries using Soviet doctrine contained around 12.000 soldiers.

 

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in Division is 5.000-15.000 Soldiers

 

[hebelecan]

It is 12.000 in a regular HOI 2

 

[Asalto]

Hey sorry to ask so early but have you made any deadline when your mod will be released?
I think your idea is very good and I can't wait to test it. Unfortunately I don't have modding skills and can't help in production.
But I will try to help with advices if you need any.
Good luck with your work!

 

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Hey sorry to ask so early but have you made any deadline when your mod will be released?
I think your idea is very good and I can't wait to test it. Unfortunately I don't have modding skills and can't help in production.
But I will try to help with advices if you need any.
Good luck with your work!

Ok bro. No worry. Well, I can't preview the future, and anything is previsible, so I won't tell you when beta 0.1 will be ready. But I can say that when all matters in the 1st post are solved (take a look at it and you'll find) beta one will be free for plaing.
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I'll use 1div = 12.000 men then. Thanks.
/Sam

 

[gll25]

i think a HoI2 Div has 15.000 soldiers

 

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i think a HoI2 Div has 15.000 soldiers

So... We will use... 12.000, 10.000 or 15.000?
Also, we must decide: does the Warsaw pact have an offensive or defensive doctrine?

 

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as i informed you they have it offensive doctrine with massive numbers of tank division's ready to attack