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The capital K is correct. In English, a capital K means "thousands". A lowercase k is used with SI units, such as kilogram. Unless SI defined a new kilotroops unit, a small k is incorrect.

Incorrect. While you might see folks occasionally using the capital K as Paradox has here, those folks are doing it wrong.

A capital K is the symbol for Kelvin (a temperature measurement), as well as the element potassium, the lowercase k is the correct symbol for thousands. You will not find the lower and upper case K symbols interchangeable in any competently written math, physics, chemistry, et al books.
 
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Either way regardless of the correct spelling it is a pathetic addition. They shouldn't try to fix what is not broken in the first place.
 
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Incorrect. While you might see folks occasionally using the capital K as Paradox has here, those folks are doing it wrong.

A capital K is the symbol for Kelvin (a temperature measurement), as well as the element potassium, the lowercase k is the correct symbol for thousands. You will not find the lower and upper case K symbols interchangeable in any competently written math, physics, chemistry, et al books.

Either you didn't actually read my post or you didn't comprehend it. In either case, I'll reiterate that troops are not an SI unit and thus do not take proper metric prefixes. We're not talking about kilotroops. On the other hand, capital K simply means "thousands" in modern English. Thus, it's the proper unit to use here. Read it as "19 thousand troops", not "19 kilotroops".
 
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Either you didn't actually read my post or you didn't comprehend it. In either case, I'll reiterate that troops are not an SI unit and thus do not take proper metric prefixes. We're not talking about kilotroops. On the other hand, capital K simply means "thousands" in modern English. Thus, it's the proper unit to use here. Read it as "19 thousand troops", not "19 kilotroops".
You´re right and your wrong :) K is a binary prefix, while k is the mathematical use of 1.000 borrowed from the greek word which means thousand. KB means 1024 bytes, but kB would be 1.000, since the k relates only to 1/1000 not only to the metric system... but you could also look it up :) I actually tried to look up your statement, and couldn´t find it anywhere, else the use for binary
 
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I'm already used to it. Not sure the k adds anything, but it doesn't distract me either. The decimal is useful.
Either way, I think giving the player a chance to decide for himself would be even better. More options in the UI hardly ever hurts.
 
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Came to think of it, they did explain that they actually tested this before deciding to implement it permanently and their conclusions were that players quickly adjusted to it and thus only added to clarity in UI, thinks it somewhere in this thread... So perhaps we should save the pitchforks for a while and see if we can´t adjust ;-) it´s only a minor thing really, and perhaps they are right... We will adjust quickly and complain about why they didn´t do this ages ago :)
 

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Either you didn't actually read my post or you didn't comprehend it. In either case, I'll reiterate that troops are not an SI unit and thus do not take proper metric prefixes. We're not talking about kilotroops. On the other hand, capital K simply means "thousands" in modern English. Thus, it's the proper unit to use here. Read it as "19 thousand troops", not "19 kilotroops".
k isn't just a SI prefix; k is a general prefix and used for all kinds of units. For instance kpc (kilo parsec) and keV (kilo electron volt).
 
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k isn't just a SI prefix; k is a general prefix and used for all kinds of units. For instance kpc (kilo parsec) and keV (kilo electron volt).
You said it better than me :-(
 

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I know that Wikipedia isn't an academic source, but this explanation seems right to me, based on my experiences in both the academic and private worlds:

"In written English, the symbol K is often used informally to mean a multiple of thousand in many contexts. For example, one may talk of a 40K salary (40000), or call the Year 2000 problem the Y2K problem. In these cases an uppercase K is often used. This informal postfix is read or spoken as "thousand" or "grand", or just "k", but never "kilo" (despite that being the origin of the letter)."

They also mention non-standard usage:

"Metric prefixes are widely used outside the system of metric units. Common examples include the megabyte and the decibel. Metric prefixes rarely appear with imperial or US units except in some special cases (e.g., microinch, kilofoot, kilopound or 'kip'). They are also used with other specialized units used in particular fields (e.g., megaelectronvolt, gigaparsec, millibarn). They are also occasionally used with currency units (e.g., gigadollar), mainly by people who are familiar with the prefixes from scientific usage."

Note, however, that these instances of non-standard usage are emulating traditional SI usage in that the prefix is prepended to a unit of measure. I suppose that you might argue that "troop" is a unit of measure, but then the labels would say "19.2 kT" for "19.2 kilotroops", or 19200. That sounds silly, to me.

As for binary, the correct prefix for 1024 is Ki. Yes, with a capital K. For instance, 1024 bytes is 1 KiB, or one kibibyte.
 

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"A: - One kiloman of prussian infantry please.
B: - Sure.
A: - Oh wait, the new orders are just in. Make that a megaman.
B: - Uhm..."
 
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The change doesn't bother me too much and the decimal point is helpful. The whole arguement about differentiating between ships (where 1 unit = 1 ship) and armies (1 unit = 1000 troops) is a bit silly, though. Does my 16/4/10 stack *really* have 10,000 artillery? I wouldn't have thought any army of EU4's era ever fielded that much artillery? So the k/K thing seems a bit pointless to me
 
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I'll throw my hat in with pointless clogging of screen, it isn't horrible or anything, but really everyone with more than couple hours played knows that those are thousands, and then you just have a dozen or so unnecessary signs on screen distracting from actual info (i.e. troop numbers).
 
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I know that Wikipedia isn't an academic source, but this explanation seems right to me, based on my experiences in both the academic and private worlds:

"In written English, the symbol K is often used informally to mean a multiple of thousand in many contexts. For example, one may talk of a 40K salary (40000), or call the Year 2000 problem the Y2K problem. In these cases an uppercase K is often used. This informal postfix is read or spoken as "thousand" or "grand", or just "k", but never "kilo" (despite that being the origin of the letter)."

They also mention non-standard usage:

"Metric prefixes are widely used outside the system of metric units. Common examples include the megabyte and the decibel. Metric prefixes rarely appear with imperial or US units except in some special cases (e.g., microinch, kilofoot, kilopound or 'kip'). They are also used with other specialized units used in particular fields (e.g., megaelectronvolt, gigaparsec, millibarn). They are also occasionally used with currency units (e.g., gigadollar), mainly by people who are familiar with the prefixes from scientific usage."

Note, however, that these instances of non-standard usage are emulating traditional SI usage in that the prefix is prepended to a unit of measure. I suppose that you might argue that "troop" is a unit of measure, but then the labels would say "19.2 kT" for "19.2 kilotroops", or 19200. That sounds silly, to me.

As for binary, the correct prefix for 1024 is Ki. Yes, with a capital K. For instance, 1024 bytes is 1 KiB, or one kibibyte.
Why would kilotroops be kT? And if you are a unit fetishist then it is perfectly valid to make a unit called "troops".
 

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Why would kilotroops be kT? And if you are a unit fetishist then it is perfectly valid to make a unit called "troops".

1. It's a made up unit. I decided on kT. You could also use kt, ktr, ktp, or whatever else says "kilotroops" to you. It's all silly.

2. You could, but that would be silly. I've never heard anyone say "three kilotroops" before. I've heard "three thousand infantry", "three thousand troops", and so on many times. All of those use a capital K in English.
 

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I'm already used to it. Not sure the k adds anything, but it doesn't distract me either. The decimal is useful.
The decimal is informative; I like it. As for the k, that's the thing--the k doesn't add anything for me even once I've gotten used to it; it's just unnecessary clutter. At least it's better than the uppercase K from the preview streams.

Sure, I'd want those who have trouble differentiating ships and armies at a glance in MP or high speed games to have the option of having this k, but the rest of us shouldn't have to be forced to see it all the time.

I like the addition (including both the decimals and the k), but I do think it should be an option to display it that way or not.
Either way, I think giving the player a chance to decide for himself would be even better. More options in the UI hardly ever hurts.
Exactly.

Came to think of it, they did explain that they actually tested this before deciding to implement it permanently and their conclusions were that players quickly adjusted to it and thus only added to clarity in UI, thinks it somewhere in this thread... So perhaps we should save the pitchforks for a while and see if we can´t adjust ;-) it´s only a minor thing really, and perhaps they are right... We will adjust quickly and complain about why they didn´t do this ages ago :)
What's there to clarify? We all know the army count stands for how many regiment there are. Also, the uppercase K earlier did look jarring compared to the current lowercase k.

I think it looks good with the lower case k. "ugly" "disgusting" - Come on guys get a grip on the drama :)
It wasn't lowercase k before. I agree that the lowercase k now at least looks better than the uppercase K.

The change doesn't bother me too much and the decimal point is helpful. The whole arguement about differentiating between ships (where 1 unit = 1 ship) and armies (1 unit = 1000 troops) is a bit silly, though. Does my 16/4/10 stack *really* have 10,000 artillery? I wouldn't have thought any army of EU4's era ever fielded that much artillery? So the k/K thing seems a bit pointless to me
I'll throw my hat in with pointless clogging of screen, it isn't horrible or anything, but really everyone with more than couple hours played knows that those are thousands, and then you just have a dozen or so unnecessary signs on screen distracting from actual info (i.e. troop numbers).
Indeed, everyone who has bothered to recruit any land units would understand the army count stands for units of regiment consisting of 1000 men. Those of us who prefer playing at slower speed and zooming in would not have problems differentiating between armies and ships.
 
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