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Re: 1981 scenario -> Race For africa

Originally posted by azid
here you can see an exciting new culture called "none"

I always knew the Corsicans had no culture :p

In EU2 they just called them "Italians" I think that would work fine.
 

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The partition began in 70-71ish (The old "Africa and the Victorians" benchmark being unilateral British intervention in Egypt and the end of the Anglo-French Egyptian condominium) and ran into the 90s. I don't mean to be picky of course. But I like "A place in the sun" better than the Scramble era for a "subtitle" to the 81 scenario.
 

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Originally posted by John Poole
The USA didnt start any colonies of its own I think it only took Spains. Yeah they should ONLY do colonial badboy stuff in Latin America and the Pacific.

I agree I can't imagine any reason why America would want to colonize Africa. Latin America & the Pacific are far more important to her.
 

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Originally posted by Jagdmaus
In the second SS, there is a black arrow he painted pointing to... a bug??

Nope just Corsicans are unique to Corsica so Paradox didn't waste a culture on them, they are just "other"
 
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2nd thought: The German AI should not colonize at all until Bismark is removed. That will make it less likely they will colonize the entire world unhistorically and better simulate their late start.

Frankly, I'd be mroe concerned about stopping The USA from colonising all over first.

And in any case, if you block Germany/Prussia from colonising until the 1890's, then the German AI is going to be pretty well damned as far as colonising goes, especially if you start in 1836.

Not to mention that it's unhistorical, since although Bismark disliked German overseas colonialism, and, although he made a lot of noise on the issue, didn't totally block it.
 

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Lol, maybe its some sort of social commentary. They could have called it "other". Culture-none seems a bit harsh :D
 

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The USA becoming an African imperialist power is all part of a much harsher reconstruction than in reality. Import a massive black population into the conquered south and make whites the minority. :p
 

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Germany did colonize under Bismark. He chaired the 1881 that partioned Africa, where Germany received its colonies.

The first screen shows Austria being too big. They administered Bosnia, but they didn't annex it until 1908 under Aehrenthal. Plus, they only occupired the other two provinces they are shown to hold.

Minor mistake by Paradox. Not really important to me as I'll only be playing the 1836 scenario.
 

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I hope that the countrie's AIs have a colonize=no, and if yes, a region to focus on tag like they did in EUII... that should solve the Americans in Africa problem.... it kinda made it a little too predictable though.
 

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Originally posted by snuggs
Oh dear, it's a VERY bad sign if the 'Scramble for Africa' begins and ends within a week of scenario start :(

looks more like a difference of 8 years between the first and the last screenshot....
 

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Originally posted by Dayvit781
I hope that the countrie's AIs have a colonize=no, and if yes, a region to focus on tag like they did in EUII... that should solve the Americans in Africa problem.... it kinda made it a little too predictable though.

But the USA SHOULD colonize.

It needs to take the American West as well as many pacific islands (Wake, midway, etc.).

Should it colonize Nigeria? Of course not (though a player always can ;))

Hopefully with AI tweaks you wont see wierdness too much in the future. :)

Oh, and the corsica "none" culture: if you want to fix it yourself (I'm sure we'll fix it by the next patch, but...) you need to open up Corsica_italian.csv in the 81 scenario folder. Change all the listings for Italian culture to north_italian ;)
 

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Bismarck did not merely "tolerate" German imperial growth - he effectively orchestrated it, however much of an anti-imperialist he was before and after his little Imperial moment.

Confusingly or not, Bismarck, who derided the worth of colonies before and after the 1880s, apparently went through a little change of heart around the time German claims in Africa solidified. I wrote a paper about it once - AJP Taylor's theory was that Bismarck's colonial spurt was a move in his European policy, intended to convince France that Germany Anglophobia had a convincing basis and could thus cement a Franco-German colonial entente which might lead on to greater things.

This has been more or less exploded by more careful and recent historical research. It appears that in some instances Bismarck began supporting German claims because the English were being offensively silent to German requests for colonial clarification (In German South-West) and because Bismarck began to be concerned that if colonies ever did turn out to be important, Germany ought to have them just in case.

It wasn't a very coherent plan as far as I could tell - Germany's colonies have a lot to do with Otto's cranky son Herbert, a crazed German former tobbacconist-cum-adventurer named F.A.E. Lüderlitz, senile and unresponsive officials in the British government and vague notions of a future world where all markets and resources had been divided. I hate to offend people's sense of order, but German imperialism was actually kind of an accidental series of wierd little events... Actually, most European imperialism, really. Overeager merchants and military officers, idiotic adventurers signing fraudlent treaties with whomever, ambitious local bureaucrats... It'd be hilarious if it weren't for all the war and death and misery and all that.

Also, the Berlin Conference of 1884-1885 (rather than 81) didn't divide up Africa however frequently that is said. Rather it dealt with a few specific issues, many relating to the Congo basin and navigation, and established the standard of effective occupation as a basis of colonialism. Important, but not the grandious map-drawing party some people imagine - unless you happen to be Belgium, which did get some fairly grandiose map drawing in, albiet under false pretenses.

I wonder - does the game model Leopold's bizarrely disingenuous Belgian "humanitarian" efforts?
 
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Originally posted by JScott991
Germany did colonize under Bismark. He chaired the 1881 that partioned Africa, where Germany received its colonies.

The first screen shows Austria being too big. They administered Bosnia, but they didn't annex it until 1908 under Aehrenthal. Plus, they only occupired the other two provinces they are shown to hold.

Minor mistake by Paradox. Not really important to me as I'll only be playing the 1836 scenario.

We know - the game mechanics would have meant it would be v. difficult for A-H to annex Bosnia properly in 1908 when it was a satellite / occupied. Similar problem exists with France and Tunisa in this scenario.

In the end it was decided that A-H controlled Bosnia to all intents and purposes. Would have been nice to have a 1908 annexation event (decrease relations with Serbia, increased Bosnia agitation) but there was an official event freeze.

Maybe one for a post release mod to clean up.
 

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I thought the game mechanics included the military access concept.

If that's the case, Austria can occupy the provinces without owning them.

Again, minor quibble.

If I remember EU2 correctly, actually, you took attrition while taking advantage of military access and allied territory. So if that remains (it shouldn't but I suspect it does), then you're right Derek. Paradox probably did the right thing, now matter how ugly it looks.
 

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alright i replayed the scenario this time it crashed at 1907 when the new zeeland event fires. In this game germany dominated africa together with the ottomans i just took up some loose ends when they stopped claiming colonies.
1907.jpg

Africa was colonised within a few years i just took screenshots a bit later.

Here i just wanted to show how the great powers have built up HUGE armies and they are posted along the border, germany has over 7 million men which i built muchos fast..
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1907-armycompare.jpg
 

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A 7 million man standing army! How can they afford it! And how could Denmark force a status quo peace against them like the message says! Are you playing 1.00 or 1.01?
 

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1.01. Denmark has fought a couple of similar wars against germany. i think that denmark is declaring war and germany doesnt want anything from germany.