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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1838 Patriots (Québec and Ontario)

Originally posted by Faeelin
There are nations who would go to war to be conquered by such an empire.

I didn't say the Brits were bad conquerers. We retained the rights of religion, of a french educational system.

The Brits wanted to assimilate us when they got New France in 1760. But they tolerated catholicism and to insure we didn't rebel, they left the french society as it was with France but with a british political head, british civil and criminal laws and only british merchants could make money in the newly acquired New France.

When the americans seceded, the English parlement gave us back the french civil laws, the Great Lakes region (wich was a Indian reserved since the conquest) and stoped campaigning (for a few years) for our assimilation.

With the americans finally being recognized as a new country and immigrants arriving in nowaday's Ontario, the british divided what was called Canada into High and Lower Canada, two distinct colonies. the Lower Canada was french and the Higher was populated with new immigrants from the UK and the fleeing Loyalists.

After the Lower (and Higher) Canada rebellions failed, Lord Druham was sent to make some report on the situation in these 2 colonies. They fused the two colonies and gave the political power to the people of Higher Canada-Ontarians (even though they were far outnumbered by Lower Canada-Québécois).

The British and then the Canadians tried and tried hard to assimilate Québec but couldn't succeed because after the 1760, Québec turned itself into a conservative, ultra-catholic and Québec-centric society. From a mere 60 k New France in 1760, we got to 7 000 000 even with a negative immigration. Families, until the 1960's were rarely smaller than 6 to 10 kids, even saw families with more than 20 kids.

Historically, that was named ''La revanche du landau''. Nowadays, people mistake the Independance movement in Québec as a rejection of Canada, a statement that we are greater than any english speaking people out there. It's not. It's an assment at our nation. There is no better ruler of a nation than itself - and this is what we are searching. Full responsability, full authority and full consequences. Being finally considered as a country, not as a province of another nation.
 
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Originally posted by Niptium
Huh ? I wouldn't say a large english speaking community. When only 8% percent of the population speaks english... and 82% speaks french !

You're missing 10%.

and I never said Texas wouldn't be unplayable..
 

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The other 10% are allophones. People that neither speak french or english.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1838 Patriots (Québec and Ontario)

Originally posted by Niptium
Historically, that was named ''La revanche du landau''. Nowadays, people mistake the Independance movement in Québec as a rejection of Canada, a statement that we are greater than any english speaking people out there. It's not. It's an assment at our nation. There is no better ruler of a nation than itself - and this is what we are searching. Full responsability, full authority and full consequences. Being finally considered as a country, not as a province of another nation.

The problem remains that there is no chance in the world of Quebec winning a war of independence. Even the elections attempting autonomy are rigged and supported far less than the Quebecois cabal claims. And even if Quebec did vote for secession, why should Canada let them go? Why should anyone--anyone at all--beyond Quebecois borders care about the liberty of Quebec?
 

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To weaken the UK in their NA colonies, and then snatch a part for themselves? Useless wars declared out of phony reasons just to weaken another country is definatley gonna be my thing :D
 

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if Quebec did vote for secession, why should Canada let them go?

Are we talking about now or then? If you mean presently, then should Quebec ever vote for independence and was recognized by the world/UN or even just the US at the start there really isn’t much Canada could do about it.
 

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Well if there is a winning referendum where more than 50% +1 Québécois voted ''OUI'', Canada will then have to deal with an independant nation. Most probably some countries out there will recognized Québec as a country (France will probably be the first) and start to deal with us nation to nation.

Here's a reminder, Canada was formed by the fusion of 4 ex-english owned colonies (without ANY referendum or population consultation). Some people say that Canada is more than the sum of it's 10 provinces, but let's face it, there is no national cohesion outside of Ontario.
 

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The only thing I agree about on those lindes are Quebec and Newfoundland. They should be independent,
 

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Originally posted by Niptium
Well if there is a winning referendum where more than 50% +1 Québécois voted ''OUI'', Canada will then have to deal with an independant nation.

Uh, no.

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Originally posted by Burris
The only thing I agree about on those lindes are Quebec and Newfoundland. They should be independent,

By 1835, Quebec was Lower-Canada, a colony on its own just like Newfoundland. But it was a colony ruled by the Lieutenant-Governor, not a dominion.

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Well let,s get back to the Victoria gameplay question - sorry to have wandered off the topic myself.
 

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mmmmmmmmm, could a mod close this thread before somebody dies? :)

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Hmm no dont close it - lets get back to the 1838 Patriots.
 

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Quebec was never an independent country in the time period represented by Victoria, therefore should not be in the game.
 
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