18% reform desire in 1448!
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It would be neat if there was an explanation for where the Reform Desire came from. Are Bohemia Hussite? Did England promise protection of Lollardy? That's 10% Reform Desire right there, and both can easily happen before 1450..
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Enjoy having protestantism spawn in 1480, before Martin Luther is even born
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Do we play a game that allows alternative history? Like for example England not going Anglican or Bohemia becoming Husite?
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We do!
But also, the Reformation always spawns ridiculously early. It's getting a bit stale. Having it happen around when it occurred in our timeline sometimes would be nice, or even later!
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It really should be a highly weighted mtth event with both reform desire and year
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Oh ok. Then why colonialism can't spawn before 1500 ? Why is global trade hard locked behind a date but protestantism isn't ?
There's no consistency.
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Of course there is. You might have a sequency of awful popes plus lollards.
Roleplay a bit.
Roleplay a bit.
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this idea that a valid response to bad game mechanics is "just roleplay/just work around it" is so complacent that it's pathetic
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It´s realistic in the kind of sandbox game EU 4 is.
Go whine about world conquests, else you are a hypocrite.
Go whine about world conquests, else you are a hypocrite.
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no, it actually isn't realistic for it to happen that early, considering the game starts in 1444, nor is it good for the game for it to happen that early since it causes problems with the age mechanics.
you can respond by just assuming my perspective on other issues though, that's also a very good way to think about things, because it doesn't require any critical thought either
you can respond by just assuming my perspective on other issues though, that's also a very good way to think about things, because it doesn't require any critical thought either
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Hey, trade didn't flow exclusively to Europe in real life.
lol roleplay around it you ROTW baby
Regions like West Africa are severely inaccurate.
lol roleplay around it you afrocentrist
Forts weren't unblockable obstacles, they just proved to be very hard to ignore without suffering extreme attrition.
lol roleplay around it napoleon weab
The Japan Shogun Daimyo swarm makes no sense and needs a rework.
lol roleplay around it you Japan hater
The age of discovery ends before Columbus even left Castile.
lol roleplay around it
Do you see how fucking stupid this response is? There's a certain element of randomness in things happening sure, but that needs to happen within a limited scope, not this 1476 reformation nonsense. This is the equivalent of absolutism firing in 1520 and calling it sandbox roleplay.
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This isnt first topic here about this problem, many playeres reported that reformation very reliably start super early.
In previous topic someone suggested that this is caused by adding new catholic tags to game (new countries) --> each catholic ountry gets events connected to reform desire so the more countries are added the faster is rise in reform desire, thus reformation happenes earlier and earlier. The mechanic wasnt adjusted to work with rising number of tags.
This explanation seems plausible to me. I look forward to this being fixed as in my last 5 games refomation spawned between 1475 and 1490 --> that doesnt seem right.
In previous topic someone suggested that this is caused by adding new catholic tags to game (new countries) --> each catholic ountry gets events connected to reform desire so the more countries are added the faster is rise in reform desire, thus reformation happenes earlier and earlier. The mechanic wasnt adjusted to work with rising number of tags.
This explanation seems plausible to me. I look forward to this being fixed as in my last 5 games refomation spawned between 1475 and 1490 --> that doesnt seem right.
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In the Emperor patch, 1480 is already one of the later dates. I usually see it spawn somewhere between 1465 and 1485.
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I've thought about this for some time, and a solution might be easier than it sounds: Swap colonialism and printing press, and make age of Reformation start after printing press has started. Then, during the age of Reformation, the protestant reformation can happen. This way, you make sure that you can enjoy the age of discovery, as well as not painting the religious map blue. It even makes more sense, as the printing press was invented before the reformation (in fact, it was the main vehicle to spread it). Colonialism seems too early to spawn in the 1500s, so this change also makes sense.
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Oh I've seen them go Hussite. It's rare but they definitely choose it.
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Pdox should just find out what decisions the countries made historically. Then balance the reform desire events to have the protestant reformation begin right when it should historically.
Right now it doesn't work that way.
Right now it doesn't work that way.
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IMO it spawns too early, I can't recall a game where it spawned after 1500 and in most games it spawns before 1490 and sometimes even before 1480, considering the historical date of 1517 that is a bit extreme. Now one could say there were a number of precursors to the Reformation before Luther, especially as it spread incredible fast and became politically relevant within a few year, so faster than the game mechanics behind it allow. For that I understand a bias of it starting a bit earlier, but at least 1517 should be a possibility which it currently is not. One possibile cause is that with the continues introduction of more and more Catholic countries over the years there are just more countries that add to reform desire.
The main issue I see is with the age mechanics, Age of Discovery is already by far the shortest, which is especially annoying for those who have an age-specific mechanic for it.
The reformation spawning should be impossible before 1480 and highly unlikely before 1490 and even before 1500 should be in only exception cases.
The main issue I see is with the age mechanics, Age of Discovery is already by far the shortest, which is especially annoying for those who have an age-specific mechanic for it.
The reformation spawning should be impossible before 1480 and highly unlikely before 1490 and even before 1500 should be in only exception cases.
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