1547: Treaty of tordesailles declared null and void?

[Faeelin]

I'm playing a game, and go to war with Portugal and spain. I gain control of almost all of Portugal's colonies and trading posts, and 2 years later, they're annexed by Spain.

Then all the shields for the ToT dissapeared. Anyone have a clue why?

 

[Carolus Rex]

Both have to exist for the ToT to work.

 

[BiB]

Spain's were gone too?

 

[Faeelin]

Originally posted by BiB
Spain's were gone too?

No. That's why they were annexed By Spain.

 

[Misha]

When Portugal is annexed, their ToT shields disappear. But if Portugal regains its independence, the shields reappear (unless the EoT has come, natch...)

The same happens to Spain I imagine, although I have never seen it. But Portugal seems to get annexed (at least for a while) in about 50% of the GCs I play.

 

[JohnMK]

Originally posted by Faeelin


No. That's why they were annexed By Spain.

I think the misunderstanding stems from your comment here, Faeelin:

Then all the shields for the ToT dissapeared.

Note the use of the word 'all.'

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Faeelin


No. That's why they were annexed By Spain.

I meant Spain's ToT shields.

 

[unmerged(6657)]

I am unclear here. Portugal usually will cease to exist in a GC, In my experience. So Spain loses all their shields in LA?? This would be a lucky thing for a northern colonial, as Spain always cheaply attacks France or England when they colonize down there.

 

[Castellon]

In My current game Portugal has been eliminated and thier shields vanished with them. Spain still has all thier ToT shileds.

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Castelion
In My current game Portugal has been eliminated and thier shields vanished with them. Spain still has all thier ToT shileds.

That's what should happen.

 

[Petrarca]

Originally posted by BiB


That's what should happen.

It would seem that Portugal not existing would prevent Portugal from enforcing the Line of Demarcation, wouldn't it?

 

[Faeelin]

When I said all the shields dissapeared, I meant Spain's AND Portugal's. Not one, both.

 

[BiB]

That's weird

 

[unmerged(6324)]

Originally posted by BiB
That's weird

Yes very weird indeed..hmm.....well anyways, maybe the Pope was Portuguesse and then stripped Spain of its CB colonial sheilds with it!

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Faeelin
When I said all the shields dissapeared, I meant Spain's AND Portugal's. Not one, both.

I understood you, which is why I provided my counter example. Ie. Spain still has their shields while Portugal has none. So your game has a bug. Maybe it makes a difference how you eliminate Portugal, Diplo or Mil. Mine was Mil.

 

[unmerged(9341)]

One time as Portugal, I diplo-annexed Castille and Spain never formed. When ToT rolled around I didn't get any shields. I just assumed both countries need to exist.

 

[unmerged(6324)]

Originally posted by flak 88
One time as Portugal, I diplo-annexed Castille and Spain never formed. When ToT rolled around I didn't get any shields. I just assumed both countries need to exist.

Yes to the best of my knowledge they both need ot exist...

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by Euro-Maniac


Yes to the best of my knowledge they both need ot exist...

...and be Catholic, although I've yet to see a game where ToT hasn't occurred before the Reformation. Used to happen oftentimes in EU1.


Faelin - you're sure its not some obvious thing like, Spain isn't Spain yet but actually Castile? Spain's ToT shields should not disappear just because Portugal got eaten.