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OK, I can't be stuffed doing it till 1792. I may do a 2nd part 1580-1700 or whatever later on, if I can be bothered. However this will show you what nearly 100 years can do to the map of EU, what alliances are created and mainted, etc.

This is a breakdown of most of the major events that occured throughout the course of the game. Some have been forgotten about (my tired brain), some have been missed out due to being much less important. Other 'random' and national events may also have been edited out (e.g. 'xxx becomes protestant)

I wrote this to show you guys how similar (or different?) EU the GC can be compared to what happened in history. Hopefully this will show some people how interesting it is to have more random 'what if' events portrayed in a game such as this. I play as Poland.


1495-96 - Polish invasion of Pskov. Muscovites are persuaded dissolve their alliance with Pskov and cease active war operations against Poland.

1498-1502 - Polish/Muscovite interventions in Kazan. Muscovite invasions from 1498-1501 submerge much of Kazan under occupation of the Muscovite sword. Subsequent peace in 1501 leads to secession of a great deal of western kazan territory to the Muscovites. The Poles taking advantage of Muscovite intervention in Kazan invade themselves in 1501 fearing that the Muscovites will be able to annex the entire area, giving them substantial land / populace increase. Subsequent partition of Kazan between Muscovy and Poland and creation of the Palatinate of Kazan under Polish control.

1508-1520 - Internal chaos and civil war in Poland. Leads to temporary secession of Pskov which is recaptured. Also leads to a declaration of independance of the Ukraine which is only subdued in 1518. Prussia and Courland relieve themselves of their vassalage to Poland.

1522 - Poland enters a royal marriage with Sweden in hopes of help for a future campaign against Prussia and their allies the Teutonic Order. In the same year Poland leaves the French-Naples alliance and is immediately welcomed by Sweden with England and Portugal.


1523-1525 - Polish invasion of Prussia to either recover control of the territory through vassalage or annexation. Sweden, England and Portugal openly support Polish invasion. Venice, the Teutonic Order back Prussia with military help. In early 1524 the Teutonic Order launches surprise attacks into Polish Pskov and Wielkie Luki capturing both cities. The Order defeats a major Polish relief force at the Battle of Wielkie Luki in March of 1524 consolidating their gains. Swedish forces invade northern Teuton territory (ingermanland)

A 2nd Polish army moves onto Prussian Konigsberg in May 1524 capturing the city a few weeks later putting Prussia out of the war. The Swedes meanwhile are laying siege to Dorpat and capture Narva. The Poles now move onto Memel, Order territory north of Konigsberg capturing several weeks later. Three subsequent Polish invasions of livonia (and sieges of Dorpat), capital of the order fail due to quick re-inforcements from the Order. In October of 1525, Dorpat is finally captured and the German garrisons are finally disloged from Pskov and Wielkie Luki due to Swedish support. In the subsequent peace on Nov 23rd, 1525, The Order pays 137d indemnities to the Swedes and hands over Ingermanland. The Poles annex German Memel & Prussia (eastern Prussia) and take 250d in indemnities. Prussia is back in the fold.


1500-1529 - Venice involves itself in disastrous wars against Turkey with the Mameluks. Turkish armies occupy most of the eastern provinces of Venice and annex them in 1527 (Illyria and Istria) causing serious economic problems for the Venetians. The Mameluks are siginificantly reduced by an alliance of the Turks Hedjaz, Algiers, Tripoli and Cyrenaica.


1501-1515 - Spanish alliance war (Spain, Scotland, Lorraine, Cologne, Austria) against Burgandy and allies (supported by France unofficially) leads to their annexation and the domination of a new powerful military co-alition shadowing French territory and seriously hindering French interests. Lorraine takes Brussles and Besancon. Spain takes Helvetia. Austria takes Artois and Luxembourg in 1510-1515.


1518-1520 - German principality wars. Thurgien declares war on Baden and Wurtemburg conquering their territories and annexing them between 1518-1520 leading to the creation of a minor German superpower in central western Europe. This war leads to very strained diplomatic relations between Thurgien and surrounding countries.


1525-1529 - Hungarian-Bohemian invasion of Austria. This leads to military support from Austrian allies (Spain, Lorraine, Cologne). Austrian alliance forces defeat contingents of Bohemian and Hungarian armies in 1525-1526 due to overwhelming numerical supriority driving deep into Bohemian territory capturing several cities and laying siege to the Bohemian capital.

In late 1526 Spain is paid off to cease active participation in this war for 250d, the Spanish being busy with the Aztec Empire, which leads to a violent change in this conflict. The Poles offer several loans to the Bohemians between 1527-1529 totaling nearly 170d, being in their best interest that Austria and its allies do not get a definite foothold in east-central Europe. This leads to a stalemate in the war and in 1528 on Jan 3rd, Austria signs a cease-fire with Hungary, Austria taking the territory of Bavat.

Following this Lorraine and Cologne sign peace-treaties with Bohemia. Bohemia pays 171 in indemnities to Lorraine whilst everything is returned to status quo with Cologne.

After sheer exhaustion on March 14th, 1529 Austria and Bohemia sign a cease-fire, returning everything back to status quo. Bohemia was largerly saved thanks due to Polish money and the successful bribing of the Spanish.

1528 Jan - Sweden becomes Protestant leading to the breaking of alliances ties between Poland and Sweden

1530 - Spain annexes the Aztec Empire after a several years of war.

1536-38 - Civil war in France, envelopes much of the northern provinces but is put down with fierce brutality.


1537-1542 Swedish-Danish war. Swedes strike into Skane in 1537, England, Portugal and Poland support their effort. City after city falls to the Swedes. July, October 1537, Skane (Lund), Jamatland (Osterlund), January 1538 Christiania (Ostlandet), and Narvik. Meanwhile Danish naval forces block Polish attempts at sending an expeditionary force from 1537-1540 successfully. From mid 1538-1540 the Swedish war machine ceases to function, pressed too hard and too fast, and in the subsequent 2 years the Danish recover most of their posessions with some difficulty however Skane is unable to be recaptured. In May of 1542 a cease-fire is called, and in an subsequent peace treaty Sweden takes Skane.


1535-1542 More Turkish alliance-Mameluk-Venetian wars end in the complete destruction of Mameluks (1540) and loss of independance to Turkey and her allies. Venice is forced to hand over Venetian Crete to Turkey (1542) Venice is on the verge of catastrophy.


1539-1540 Spain declares war on Portugal. The Spanish alliance joins in (Lorraine, Austria, Scotland, Persia), whilst Poland and England support Portugal. Sweden dishonours her alliance with Portugal at the time being busy with her war with Denmark. The war ends with English Calais being captured by Austrian forces, Porto captured by the Spanish and the capital of Portugal besieged by Spain. In the peace treaty of March 1540 Spain annexes Oporto from Portugal, everything else returns to status quo. Poland and England eventually leave their alliance with Portugal after this debacle. The Spanish alliance is beginning to influlence seriously diplomacy and wars of central and western Europe.


1543-1544 Muscovite-Polish war. Poles invade capturing Tver in October, 1543, whilst Muscovite flank attacks into the Palatinite of Kazan are repelled. Jan 1544, the Poles lay siege to Moscow, whilst another army captures Novgorod (a COT) in the same month. In late march, 1544, the Poles capture Moscow and in the subsequent peace Poland annexes Tver and Novgorod.


1547-1550 Turkish-Hungarian war. Turkish alliance declares war on Hungary, August 1547. Beogard in Serbia captured in September of 1547. (major battle) Battle of Zagreb, April 15th 1548, 30,000 Hungarians are severly defeated by a Turkish alliance force of 35,000 men consisting of Turkey / Tripoli & Georgia. This opens up the door to Pest. End of March 1549, 75,000 men (Turks, Georgians etc) form in Turkish Croatia ready to invade central Hungary. Pest is captured and a contingent of forces besieges the Hungarian capital but are unable to take it. On June 10th, 1549 both sides sign a cease-fire (the Hungarians accept a Polish loan), and in a peace-treaty, the Turks take Serbia, 188d whilst Tripoli takes Pest. Central Hungary and Austria now in danger.


1551-1553 French-English war. The French declare war on the English and Navarra with support from Sweden in Feb of 1551. Calais is invaded and conquered. The French and Swedish conduct a full scale sea invasion of England towards mid 1551, plunging much of the country into chaos causing some areas to openly rebel English rule. Liverpool, Newcastle, are captured by combined French and Swedish armies. The English on the verge of total catastrophy beg for a peace with the French and in return they get it with harsh consequences: Aug 14th, 1553 France annexes Lancashire, Yorkshire and Newcastle creating a French colonial buffer state between England and Scotland.


1551-1553 Polish-German alliance conflict. The Poles decide to take advantage of the Order's weakness in the Baltic (thanks largely due to supporting its ally Hansa, against an inconclusive war with Hannover in the west), to invade Livonia and Estonia, the last two bastions of the Teutonic Order and completley annex them. However, the Poles don't find the Order as easy prey as they thought. The Hansa and the Order combine forces to attack into Thorn (April, 1551, 30,000 Hanseatic soldiers lay siege to Thorn), whilst a main German attack keeps away from the main Polish armies striking into Pskov and Novogord capturing both cities within 3 months of the start of the conflict. The Poles respond by invading Livonia and Estonia, completely free off German troops (apart from garrisons) and conquer both territories by early 1552. The remaining German army continues to refuse Poles a final battle moving with speed past Courland and west into west Prussia, combining with the Hanseatic army still unable to capture Thorn. Two Polish armies move out of Livonia after the Germans.

In July of 1552 both German armies are severely defeated by relieving Polish forces and retreat into east Pommerania (Hanseatic territory). One Polish army continues to charge after them, whilst the other now moves back to Pskov and Novgorod to recapture these cities. In August of 1552, the Hanseatic army, morally destroyed is again routed near Kolberg, whilst the remaining Order army capitulates. Kolberg is captured at the end of August 1552 and the Hansa immediately offers this city (and territory) in exchange for peace. This is agreed to. Pskov and Novgorod are retaken between Nov 1552 and Feb 1553. In April of 1553 the Order is forced to agree to complete capitulation.


1552-1556 Oman-Aden war. Aden armies are no match for Oman and in 1556, Dothar, Masirah and Hadramut are handed over to Oman.


1554-1555 Polish-Turkish war. The Turks declare war on an unprepared Poland (march 2nd) dealing with rebels in Prussia and the Ukraine. Portugal dishnours its alliance with Poland. The Poles are able to dissuade allies of Turkey (Tripoli, Georgia, Algiers, Hedjaz) to cease any active war plans against them, which is a great win for Polish diplomacy. By October, 1554, there are inconclusive battles near Bujak, but by the end of the year the Poles are in full retreat against overwhelming odds (20k vs 60+k), because the rest of its army is dealing unprecedented religious rioting which floods almost 1/2 of the realm. The Turks take this opportunity and by March-April of 1555 are in posession of Bessarabia, Krementjug and Poltava. At the end of April 1555, the Turks ask for 9d and secession of Poltava to them, which the Poles agree too hungrily seriously desperate to move into Polish Prussia. The first major and official defeat of the Poles since the start of the gc.


1555-1570, Wars break out in Scandinavia, NW, Western, central Europe and England.

1554-1568 Civil war engulfs Spanish posessions in N.W Euroe (Hague etc). Spanish armies are unable to deal with the influx of rebelling peasantry combined with professional troops. Towards the end of 1565 the number of rebelling forces reaches nearly 200,000 men which take the Hague, Holland, Flanders and other Spanish provinces, even spilling out into Austrian Artois combining into a more confused state there with a war raging between France and Austria over England.

In 1568 massive revolts explode in continental Spain and following this the government is broken in March of 1568. Following this Sicily gains independance and immediatley joins an anti-Spanish alliance with France. Spain, her NW provinces still under a deluge which it cannot police now declares war on the Incas.

1559-1560. Following the breakup of the Spanish alliance which dominated NW Europe for the last 50 years and the Spanish busy with an internal crisis (1554-68), the French declare war on the Spanish along with Navarra, Poland and Naples. Despite this, Spanish forces are strong enough to annex Navarra in Aug of 1559, however, they are not numerous enough and this allows French armies to capture Spanish Zurich which it annexes in the cease-fire of Dec 1559.

1559-1563. 2nd Swedish-Danish war. An english expeditionary forces lands in Julland and lays siege to Aaborg, but is unable to capture it (Dec 1560) whilst, Swedish armies trample all over Denmark completley defeating their forces. In the peace of Jan 1563, Sweden takes Narvik, Finmark and Ostlandet. Denmark is now the sick man of Scandinavia :)

1562-1570, English (Sweden, Austria)- French (Naples, Milan) war. 1562-1563 Austrian-Turkish war. Austrian involves itself in a war on two fronts within several weeks, supporting England against France and being invaded by the Turkish alliance only several weeks later.

The Austrians seriously over-stretched and looking at possible destruction make a quick peace with Turkey, handing over Banat (formerly Hungarian territory), and Presburg to the Turks by Sep, 1563. While this is going on French armies invade Tyrol and Austrian provinces of Artois and Luxemburg in NW Europe.

Milan agrees to a quick peace with Austria, in Nov of 1562 for a price of 250d. Whilst this is occuring, French armies move into England from their provinces in the Marshes etc. In January, 1563, England turns reformist, whilst most of its countryside is in flames. Worcester is captured, by September of 1562, Lincoln and Cardiff are under siege. Dublin taken in Nov, 1564. Calais is stormed in early 1565. English ally Austria, now free from its war with the Turks relieves Tyrol and invades French Helvetia (Zurich). These cities, a long with Austrian provinces in NW (Artois etc) would change hands on more than 4 occasions between 1564-1570. Despite this the French are capable of continuing the war with England despite it turning into a stalemate.

Milan and England sign a cease-fire, in April of 1565, Status Quo.

By the end of 1565, the French and the English fight each other to a standstill, despite the French holding onto several key English cities. Both sides agree to talks in 1566 and a peace is reached in which Meath and Calais is handed over to the French. The English ask the Austrians to cease-fire with France, but despite this, the French-Austrian war continues onwards. Both sides continue to fight each other to a standstill in Helvetia and Artois until Feb 1567 when peasant riots explode in northern France (Orleans, Paris, Calais), the rioters able to take control of Paris, which lasts till 1570.

Peace is not achieved until 1570, in which a status quo is decided up, despite Austria paying France an indemnity of 176d. These wars (Spanish civil, NW, French-English- Austrian) leave large areas of Northern France, western Austria (along with its posessions in NW Europe) severly depopulated by 8 years of bloody warfare. Spanish prestiege drops significantly, whilst France emerges the clear victor in this 8 year war, unbelievably able to take on England and Austria at once with some amazing stamina.

Whew, .. hope you enjoyed it.


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You are the man. Thank you very much. Enjoying your Eastern European dominance? I see your homeland is doing well for themselves. I have also noticed there seems to be a great deal more turmoil than in the past. Is that one of the fixes in the AI? I think that is a good one, that will definately deter you from going to big too fast.
 

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Pole,

Anything going on in the Orient or India or Africa?


Well, my envoys did hear of a civil war in China, in around 1530, but apart from that not much has been happening. Though Algiers and Morocco waged war against each other. Turkey came to help Algiers, because it was struggling and the war eventually ended up as status quo. Turkey and its north african / middle eastern alliance is really starting to effect this game. Spain has fallen of its high and mighty position slightly, whilst France has grown much more powerful weathering the storms of Austria and taking huge slices off England.


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Enjoying your Eastern European dominance?

Mmm, lovely :) Though Poland may be curtailed slightly in later patches, but this is simply to balance gameplay. Actually there'll be some changes to quite a few nations, including France, England, Poland and Russia.

There is a great deal more turmoil, yes :) You can see yourself, at the amount of chaos going on in just under 100 years in the game. That's only 1/3rd of the GC! Though I do think its striked a good historical balance and the amount of confrontation is not too excessive. The wars are actually logical and are based upon long-term problems and previous diplomatic / military conflicts, which in my opinion is BLOODY good.

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Fascinating. Thanks for a long overdue AAR. I'm impressed with the activity of the minor powers and the AI's consistency. I guess you deserve a pat on the back too for playing Poland so well. : )

You provided a good synopsis of events, but I was also curious as to what was driving your strategy. Was was behind your decision to attack Prussia or Russia at various times as opposed to a push south, for instance?
 

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Devin,

It's great that you enjoyed the timeline.


Was was behind your decision to attack Prussia or Russia at various times as opposed to a push south, for instance?

I wouldn't have attacked Prussia at all, however she dissolved the vassalage I had with her (so did Courland) after the 1508-1520 civil war which was .. a nightmare, let me tell you :( I invaded Prussia when her only ally in the Baltic area (The Order) was busy with a war in Hannover, but despite this as you read they gave me quite a few problems, the war lasted several years and the Hansa also got in on the act in support of Prussia. The decision to invade Muscovy was made due to the fact that she at the time was rather weak and I wanted to take Novgorod, a very profitable area with a COT.

As you see I've been very successful in my wars against enemies to the north, though I've been defeated on 1 occasion when Turkey invaded me. I've been defeated a second time, quite seriously (it'll be in the new aar), they simply overwhelmed me with numerical superiority. One reason they have won was because I was without allies, but this has not been corrected. Also, taking on Turkey by yourself is _not_ recommended, they are incredibly powerful with almost unlimited resources. It's best to attack when they are involved in another war, or as part of an anti-turkish alliance (read the Venetian aar's). The other reason for my defeats at their hands was due to continued revolts in the Sunni (or moslem) areas of my realm, as well as various Ukranian independence wars.

Infact, another strong surge into central Europe, and I'm almost certain Austria will fall, with Hungary / Bohemia next.

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Sapura,

Thanks for the recent AAR's! This board was becoming quiet without them. I guess all the Northern Europeans are on their summer break. Is it true that almost all of Scandanavia goes on Vacation in August? Seems very civilized to me.

As far as play balance goes: Is Poland dominant when played by the computer? How does EU compensate for the internal Political constraints imposed on Poland? Given my limited knowledge of Polish history, it was my understanding that internal Political issues kept her from becoming a perrenial power in Europe. That and being surrounded by potential enemies.

PS - Are the game interface and mechanics pretty much complete? Is the development and testing just focusing on play balance? I have more patience to wait for EU now that the SE4 demo has been released.
 

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Keifer,


Is Poland dominant when played by the computer? How does EU compensate for the
internal Political constraints imposed on Poland?


Well, it depends on circumstances. It would be pretty silly of Poland was dominant ALL the time, or annihilated in every single game, wouldn't it? It just depends on circumstances. The A.I can be both smart and stupid, take risks and make good judgements, it all depends. EU does not really have a 'government' matrix, though in some ways it is apparent. For example lower stablity, a higher degree of civil war, and so on. Not just Poland, but other countries.


iven my limited knowledge of Polish history, it was my understanding that internal Political issues kept her from becoming a perrenial power in Europe. That and being
surrounded by potential enemies.

Well, Poland was a power from the early 1300's until the end of Sobieski's reign in 1696. That is almost 400 years. But what brought it down were serious political issues, which were never reformed in time before Prussia/Austria/Russia partitioned her out of existance. Infact, the Poles made the constitution of May 1791, which shook all three powers, they didn't want Poland to recover stability -- so they partitioned her.

The actual reason Poland became weak in the 18th century was because of the deluge. From 1648-1667, Muscovites, Swedes, Transylvanians, Prussians (vassals until 1657) and Cossacks waged war on Poland, without any break. Poland was unable to meet the challenge in 1648 against the Cossack civil revolt quickly enough, + a civil war between Lithuanian magnates worsened the situation. This caused the Swedes and Russians to invade from three different directions in 1654-1655. Poland did recover and threw them out, but the country was seriously destroyed / economy shatterd, population decreased from 11 to 8 million.


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I thought that the Polish King had limited power and that the Legislature of Nobles had to have unanimous approval to pass laws, treaties, taxes, etc. I would imagine that this would present serious difficulties in combating a deluge of authoritarian states.
 

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Sapura -

What a surprise that the English navy wasn't able to thwart the French invasion. I suppose it was the help of the Swedes that turned the tide.

Have the differences in the military technologies between nations manifested themselves in this campaign yet? If yes, I'd like to know if there were any decisive battles where a smaller force of better equipped troops defeated a larger force of less advanced ones. This question goes back to my interest in why the supposedly strong English Navy couldn't keep the French away.
 

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Jim,

The English fleet tried in vain to defend its shores against the coming tide, but alas they were outgunned (technologically) and outmanned (Swedes and French ships), by their opponents.


Have the differences in the military technologies between nations manifested themselves in this campaign yet?

Absolutely, rich and powerful (yet smaller) nations like Portugal and Tripoli have quite advanced sea and land forces, respectively. Poland is super-strong on land (c. 1580), even more powerful than Turkey (which was more or less true in history), yet Turkey has a huge numerical superiority. Polish sea fleets are very small and weak though. This is simply my preference. I had decided Poland needed much higher land tech than sea.. so I've been granting more cash to be researched into newer forms of field warfare. In your game, you can make Poland a sea power if you wish, but watch out for those Russians and Turks! It kind of balances itself out. The French and the Austrians are more or less on equal footing, as you saw in their war, they fought each other to a standstill. Spain has strong sea forces (obviously), and pretty decent land armies. The Swedes are starting to gain momentum, whilst the Muscovites have only won one war against Kazan (in the continued timeline..) due to their weakness.

I'd like to know if there were any decisive battles where a smaller force of better equipped troops defeated a larger force of less advanced ones.


For sure. Some examples. 45,000 Ukraninian Cossacks against 23,000 Poles. The Cossacks are annihilated almost to a man, Kiev is captured and they lose their recently won independence.

40,000 Muscovites vs 31,000 Poles, Muscovites are well defeated.

19,000 Poles against 8,000 Tripolian soldiers, Poles are routed. More due to moral, but their soldiers are quite strong.

It's difficult to tell, in other parts of the continent, but I do recall another..

20,000 French defeat 42,000 English near Worchester in one of their first wars together..

It's important to remember that artillery plays a major role in the field battles, and a cavalry advantage gives you a big bonus.


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Back in the first months of this game up to early this year, the king of AARs was most undoubtedly SAPURA, his contribution to the aar forum was huge and he had some great reads.

Here is just one of those masterpieces of his that i have the honor of bringing back for those who are newer to the forum. Truely a forum classic.

Hope to see you back soon Sapura and Oranje:)

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By the way, Grevens classic Papal states AAR on the home page is what excited me about this game. But it was AARs like this that kept me alive during the waiting months.
 

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Hmmm...I never read this one. Although it was b4 my time here. It's clear how the style of writing has changed since. His timelime drew upon "chunks" of time with brief overviews. Then there are some recent AAR's that go into detail down to the day. Truly interesting.

Poor Sapura...being shot at by his superior officers :). And Oranje who for if I remember correctly is currently in the middle of nowhere observing something.
 

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As a newbie I must say that is very interesting to see the way things started here.

I pledge a Vow to You Sir, and considere you a mastermind in the tactics warefare. Posibly we could also here about an AAR of great mistakes and defeats, made by an expirienced gentleman as yourself?