1419: New Order II

[Rezag]

England > Burgundy and France
England > Sweden and Denmark
England > Russia and Austria

Are you sure you mean that? Because it sounds pretty silly from here.

Well atleast England feet and income is over 2X Sweden&Denmark wouldnt suprice if its same with France&Brgundy and Russia&Austria would love to see them attack England they could do what less than nothing so silly its simply truth there will be no resistanse against England no nation or alliance that could challenge them any more every other nation can be but in situation it can be challenged England not.

Not to forget fact England is only nation that hasnt lost even single province during whole game and wont lose single province even mighty Ottomans and Russia have lost provinces not only gained them. Only war that has ended nothing but english victory or WP was 50 ducat for Scandinavia when England tryed to take Shanghai.

So congratulations for kings of England they have earned the title of emperor of europe (winner) succeeding where all other nations have not. Or maybe the great and mighty OE could show how it defeats England to get the title .

 

[Rezag]

Once again Burgundy and CO screwed up when having the double sized navy and England was able to sink the entire Danish fleet and 2/3 of the Swedish one, i guess Burgundy lost alot of ships too...

There was two reasons for this minor was Venice not being in war with Burgundy leaving Burgundian fleet of 600 ships not taking part on battles. Major was Austria&Russia attack that forced the focus of danish&swedish attention and money be moved away from naval giving England practicly free hands to clear oceans and rebuild their fleets.

 

[Rezag]

I cant play next thursday as Iam going to company cruise but anyway game is majorly finnished for Sweden 20 year is so short time nothing else wont be lost as its easy just to refuse any new demands that might be done after this war and to build up for something else takes so long there wont be any war that could be finished after it anyway.

So as instrucktion to possible swedish sub after this peace no demands wont be accepted just build up, go to the end dont lose nothing more take stabhits if needed but dont give up anything any more and help every attempt to hurt Austria the evil master mind.

England is acknowledged as winner by Sweden.

WP with England has been agreed and province of Savolak or Estland is to be cede for Russia if Russia wants more just fight untill all cores are under Russian occupation should take longer than 20 year and bring the 120k from NA to help fight Russia in europe if needed allso build new armies there if cant be build elsewhere.

 

[Fredrik82]

Not to forget fact England is only nation that hasnt lost even single province during whole game and wont lose single province even mighty Ottomans and Russia have lost provinces not only gained them. Only war that has ended nothing but english victory or WP was 50 ducat for Scandinavia when England tryed to take Shanghai.

Well, England did loose some land in the 1400s :rofl:

 

[Owen]

As posted before, I am away for the next two weeks on holiday, so I'd like to thank all the players for a really fun and enjoyable game. I will try to look for someone to take over the OE next session.

 

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Sorry for not being there guys, but my computer was again acting up

 

[Rezag]

Well, England did loose some land in the 1400s :rofl:

England didnt lose then it sold them there is big difference .

 

[Hive]

Then came this whacko idea about alliance editing to justify Austrian expansion in Europe.

That's nonsense, Hamster. First of all, you still kept your old alliance. So what changed for you?

Second of all, I didn't use the opportunity to attack anyone. I was attacked myself by first OE, and then you guys - when I was already at my knees.

But sure, make it sound like everything is evil Austria's fault...

 

[Hive]

So as instrucktion to possible swedish sub after this peace no demands wont be accepted just build up, go to the end dont lose nothing more take stabhits if needed but dont give up anything any more and help every attempt to hurt Austria the evil master mind.

Oh come on, don't be like that... :rofl:

And honestly, I wasn't the "mastermind" behind this - Flamey was. Just as I was preparing for Russia to help France and Burgundy attack me, he instead offered a NAP... right away, I agreed. He then changed that offer into an alliance, and a war against the Scandinavians, funded by England.... who would turn down such a grand offer?

Anyway, this game is nearly over now. And although it started out weak, I think it evolved into a pretty fun game - as fun as the in hindsight unbalancing 1419 setup would allow.

We had a lot of wars, after we got started on that... the only nation I haven't been at war to at least once is Russia - but I was threatened by war from her a couple of times. Furthermore, I think I have been allied (if not code allied, then at least de-facto allied) to every other player nation in turn. I like such fluency.

 

[Owen]

I don't think the scenario would have been unbalanced if we had regularly had players in Portugal and one of Poland or Brandenburg. Then again, that seems to be a lot of nations to have played with the current size of the community.

 

[Hive]

I don't think the scenario would have been unbalanced if we had regularly had players in Portugal and one of Poland or Brandenburg. Then again, that seems to be a lot of nations to have played with the current size of the community.

Add eg. The Mameluks, to balance OE...

And also, removing all historical leaders proved bad for Portugal and Russia...

 

[Owen]

Add eg. The Mameluks, to balance OE...

And also, removing all historical leaders proved bad for Portugal and Russia...

No. You'd want one of the Timurids or Persia.

 

[Fredrik82]

We had a lot of wars, after we got started on that... the only nation I haven't been at war to at least once is Russia - but I was threatened by war from her a couple of times. Furthermore, I think I have been allied (if not code allied, then at least de-facto allied) to every other player nation in turn. I like such fluency.

Same with England, We have been allied to all nations except Aragon and Russia. Russia have allways been friendly and we have fought by these sides in several wars. Aragon is the only country that more or less have hated England from start , not easy to do anything with such hate in the air
Still, Aragon was more or less an ally for a short period when we signed NAPs and protection pacts after we solved the issue with Ivoria.

 

[Fredrik82]

As posted before, I am away for the next two weeks on holiday, so I'd like to thank all the players for a really fun and enjoyable game. I will try to look for someone to take over the OE next session.

Thanks Owen, it's always a pleasure to play with you
Hopefully we will have a new order III starting soon if Hive aint too lazy....

 

[Rezag]

And honestly, I wasn't the "mastermind" behind this - Flamey was. Just as I was preparing for Russia to help France and Burgundy attack me, he instead offered a NAP... right away, I agreed. He then changed that offer into an alliance, and a war against the Scandinavians, funded by England.... who would turn down such a grand offer?

Well it was Austrian diplomats who sucked it and thus are in front of every swedish newspaper getting the fault for this evil backstabbing for without them the Russian backstab alone wouldnt have been so bad and the fact that Austria had recently received insane amount of money from Scandinavia. And therefore swedish people currently only regret two things helping the 1 province Austria and helping Austria after its recent rape.

So swedish people hope Austria will burn in flames oh forgot its allready in flames let them burn more furiously .

And maybe Austria should ask itself how it commented on same words of defence when they were presented by Burgundy after defeat of Austria . Words useless and some more strong once comes to swedish minds.

 

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And honestly, I wasn't the "mastermind" behind this - Flamey was. Just as I was preparing for Russia to help France and Burgundy attack me, he instead offered a NAP... right away, I agreed. He then changed that offer into an alliance, and a war against the Scandinavians, funded by England.... who would turn down such a grand offer?

I wasn't, England was I didnt have a thought on attacking Scandinavia before that, since Denmark had stated she was my friend. However, since everyone and their sisters said they were my friends I figured I had to break up with someone to give some fun to Russia at the end of the game. First I intended to let Ironfoundersson have that decision, but then England came with that great offer, and I accepted
I asked Hive for a NAP to make sure he wouldnt dow me when I dowed Sweden, and then we agreed upon him helping me.
I never entered any deal in this session, except the defense pact against Austria/OE that I signed with France/Burgundy. I didn't know anything about what had happened before either (like the thing Sweden told me about when he could've vassalized Russia) and I hadn't gotten any instructions whatsoever. Diplomatically, I don't think I have made any errors, and my diplomacy gave me an enjoyable end of my first mp session on 6 months

 

[ForzaA]

Same with England, We have been allied to all nations except Aragon and Russia. Russia have allways been friendly and we have fought by these sides in several wars. Aragon is the only country that more or less have hated England from start , not easy to do anything with such hate in the air
Still, Aragon was more or less an ally for a short period when we signed NAPs and protection pacts after we solved the issue with Ivoria.

*mutters in fredrik's general direction*

 

[Hive]

Hopefully we will have a new order III starting soon if Hive aint too lazy....

I'm lazy, but I'll start one anyway. Good enough?

If enough people are interested, of course...

 

[Fredrik82]

If enough people are interested, of course...

I don't think that finding players will be a problem

What scenario are you planning to use? GC?

 

[Hive]

What scenario are you planning to use? GC?

I already stated that I won't do that again, but that I will try something different and innovative - just like I tried with this game.

Currently, I'm thinking of playing with my most excellent mod, and playing my 1568 scenario. But nothing is final.