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King of Sweden wellcomes new Tzar to the world of war
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King of Sweden wellcomes new Tzar to the world of war
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Fredrik82 said:
If we put aside the fact that you can invade my SA possesions, something you seem to chose to 'forget', then it's true that you can't touch me in Europe. But who can you touch in Europe, aside from Denmark and possibly Sweden? Noone. However, you can easily attack all other nation's colonial possesions one by one, and take what you want. And that is what I want to prevent.
Even if you can't hurt Austria, we still don't want to see you put other nations under your thumb like that. Unlike England, Austria acts out of other nation' interests as well.
Again, that's not true. You are a threat to my SA possesions. But apart from that, you are also a huge threat to the rest of the world - bar OE and Russia.
Taking my SA provs would not be to 'neutralize and enemy', but to act out of greed. And you know that.
In that case, how do you explain the annexations of Baden, Cologne, Kleves, Brandenburg, Hessen, Bavaria, Saxony, Hanover, Kuestrin, Anhalt, Franconia and Bohemia? I'm sure I've missed one or two as well.Hive said:
Fredrik82 said:I remember how worried the Burgundy king was about the Austrian expansions and size, and planned alot of things to neutralize this mighty threat, not only in Europe but also in SA were Austria have a big area that is high fortified. What did the Burgundien king do about it? He "allied" Austria :wacko:
Which is a good way to neutralize a threat, to "ally" it
And i fear that Burgundy is not alone here, which is very unfortunate. For themself in the long run...
As soon as England get land 41, they'll be able to do operations in Europe aswell. If England are not to win this game Bur-Fra-Hab-Arg need to stand together. Austria is surrounded by Burgundy, France, Denmark, OE and Venice. Who are you surrounded with? None, which makes you the most dangerous nation since with your fleet size and naval hyperteching you can practicly NEVER loose a war.
Owen said:
The Empire had been splintered and troubled by a mad ruler in Brandenburg, and this was the only way to remove the chaos in Germany - and bring back order.
But still, I wouldn't be surprised if someone had attacked be because they misunderstood my good intensions. And I really don't follow why you think it is wrong that the nations you have taken provinces from in the past seek revenge. I don't have any cores on Hungary, but we had a very close relationship with those dear Magyars...
That is hardly anything newWorld Conqueror said:
England have this advantage, they have both irl and in this game. Once again you only see the English threat here, have Hives RP machine been so efficent that you guys only can think, "England", "Threat", "Evil".
What if England just simply stop give a shit regarding Europe? I can easily sit on my Island doing nothing for the entire game and just think of my own problems. Playing England defensive is easier and safer
After that have happend, or that England have been beated up badly in several wars you'll have an Austria taking it's place which will be a 10x more of a threat to everyone then what England ever was. We have a Austria today with over 16 000 D in Treasury, i can only imagine what he will use those money to...
Try to see the whole picture here, and you'll notice that England is way to weak militarily to do any harm whatsover towards Europe. Even with CCs England will fall way behind in the MP race. IF i reach 100 MP (max) with CCs all over and everyone else will easily reach 400 MP. Just that speak for itself.
While France and Burgundy *may* be largely safe to you, due to strategic depth and superior MP/morale, I certainly am not- for me it makes perfect sense to be allied to Austria (And effectively Burgundy and France aswell)
My naval support limit is somewhere around 500 ships- not really enough to protect myself against enterprising Englishmen.
On the other hand Austria, "the great threat to european peace" can hardly reach me- and even if they CAN reach me, through MA or anything, they have two areas to conquer that are far apart in terms of marching armies.
My naval support limit is somewhere around 500 ships- not really enough to protect myself against enterprising Englishmen.
On the other hand Austria, "the great threat to european peace" can hardly reach me- and even if they CAN reach me, through MA or anything, they have two areas to conquer that are far apart in terms of marching armies.
Fredrik82 said:
What people have in their treasuries is totally irrelevant. What counts is monthly income. I have simply minted a lot, due to some excep years.
Stop with this BS, pls. No one have claimed that you are a threat in Europe - so stop bringing that up! What we say is that you are a threat OUTSIDE Europe, which you chose to ignore because you know we are right...
Fredrik82 said:That is hardly anything new
Once again you only see the English threat here, have Hives RP machine been so efficent that you guys only can think, "England", "Threat", "Evil".
What if England just simply stop give a shit regarding Europe? I can easily sit on my Island doing nothing for the entire game and just think of my own problems. Playing England defensive is easier and safer
After that have happend, or that England have been beated up badly in several wars you'll have an Austria taking it's place which will be a 10x more of a threat to everyone then what England ever was. We have a Austria today with over 16 000 D in Treasury, i can only imagine what he will use those money to...
Try to see the whole picture here, and you'll notice that England is way to weak militarily to do any harm whatsover towards Europe. Even with CCs England will fall way behind in the MP race. IF i reach 100 MP (max) with CCs all over and everyone else will easily reach 400 MP. Just that speak for itself.
You havent got the point Fredrik, you will win the game if we dont unite, and you know I cant just sit and watch while you do that
Anyhow this just brought up the normal question these times: How are we to judge victory? Wouldnt surprise me if this game end up like all other games with no victor...ah well, we had a nice time atleast
Hive said:
Exactly, Burgundies strenght doesnt lie in Europe, but in trade and colonies, and there you are a HUGE threath.
I just wonder where that ant-Austria spirit did go?World Conqueror said:
I mean the situation is more or less the same and the Europan boardes have been the same the latest 100 years, you guys are boring. Damn peace lovers
Yes, I'm sorry, that only shows the Archdukes wishes to expand even further in Europe now that he annexed his latest victim Poland and no free fiefdoms exists in central europe.Hive said:True, I did offer to buy land in Germany. You know the difference between offering to buy something, and take it in war - right?
I offered Burgundy to buy Oldenburg and Münster as well, but you don't see him yelling "The wolf is coming - Austria will attack!"...
Oh you mean the hostiles you only have because you are England's evil lapdog? The hostiles who have again and again suggested England to break the vassalization with you, in order for you to be free once again?
Really, your propaganda is weak and blatantly false.
I'm sure Burgundy is as worried as me but adheres to the old saying "hold your friends close but your enemies even closer".
Quite. Much like the war with England-Burgundy were the aim was to punish the English, yet Burgundy was the one who was ignominiously (fancy word) punished by it's neighbours. No, wait that's not completely true - Denmark never violated Burgundian soil. I'm sure I would've been and will be "liberated" but also lose my German cultured provinces in the process.
Vricklund said:
Look, how would England EVER become weaker if I also were hostile to Austria? No chance, and I can say honestly that I rather see Hive win this then Fredde
Anyhow like i've said some times before; As King of Burgundy it would had suited me much better to be friendly with England, though as a player I cannot just sit and watch England winning this without any attempt to stop him.
Vricklund said:
Any "liberate" danish Germany by moving it under other nation controll act will call dow from Sweden even if war with Russia is still going our scandinavian brother will be protected at all cost.
Fredrik82 said:I just wonder where that ant-Austria spirit did go?
I mean the situation is more or less the same and the Europan boardes have been the same the latest 100 years, you guys are boring. Damn peace lovers
Well don't blame *me* for that. My border with OE would have changed several time if I had experienced some more success on the battlefield...
Vricklund said:
Of course I wish to expand, who doesn't? But I still can't see how you interpret a harmless offer as a sign of me planning to invade you...
Maybe so. Or perhaps he just isn't paranoid.
I wanted to punish both England and Burgundy. It is true that I wanted to punish England the most, though. But for obvious reasons, I couldn't do that myself - and thus relied on Denmark, Sweden, Aragon and Portugal to do so. But to my surprise, Aragon (taking his ally with him) backed out of the plan - even though he was originally the one suggesting that something ought to be done about the English... but luckily, he has come to his senses since.
I have assured you several times that my purpose of invading Denmark would be to liberate you (force you to break the vassalage). I have told this to several others as well, of which every single one of them applauded the idea.
But that was back when Denmark still had a reasonable attitude towards Austria. If our nations should go to war now (which we hope not, of course), things would perhaps change....
Bah, you havn't got over that game yet when i force vassalized you'r Sweden being France? :rofl:World Conqueror said:Look, how would England EVER become weaker if I also were hostile to Austria? No chance, and I can say honestly that I rather see Hive win this then Fredde
And i can honestly say that i don't play EU2 MP to "win", i play it for fun and i do of course try to create a mighty nation that can kick everyones asses but the word "winning" isn't importent, in fact, i don't think that that is what this game is about really. If it was about winning then the annexation button would be more importent in this game, and it's very seldom that a human player get annexed
Speaking of winning, what exactly make you a winner? The one with highest Scores? the one with the most provinces? The one who bath in wealth or the one that is militarily strongest? :wacko:
RE: Winning
The player who sends me the best pictures of a hot sister will be declared winner of this fine game.
The player who sends me the best pictures of a hot sister will be declared winner of this fine game.